[Plugin]bloc *new plugin*

Iron_Forge · Post by **Iron_Forge** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:48 pm

Actually, IFP's are the most advanced xml-style plugin available...I'm not sure which types I missed, because I'm pretty sure I got them all...Though, I do label things like vertex's as 3 floats, but as far as the actual values are concerned, they really are just 3 floats...Perhaps in the future some actual schema system could be defined to add lower level types such as a vertex...But when it comes down to it, the editor still has to display it as 3 floats...

I'm not sure how being the most advanced xml-style makes them obsolete...They're one of the newer structures, so I honestly can't see how I missed types the old ones somehow didn't have...Unless you want an entire display schema included in the plugins so you can control how the editor lays them out...But in my opinion, thats something best left to the developer...If people don't like Insolence's IFP display, they could easily create their own (as Insolence does allow for coded-plugins, thats how it handles IFP's)...

But again, separation of display and control is something any modern developer will tell you is a must...It's a standard of design...IFP is also expandable, since it is just a layout...So you could easily add new types if you created your own display control for it...Assuming I did miss some...

tjc2k4 · Post by **tjc2k4** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:49 pm

Sorry to derail this thread (although it's still pretty much about plugins), but it's silly to see people duplicating work that they don't need to.

Would a simple, ADI-type (Tree View + Editing Space, one map at a time, one tag at a time), Map Editor program, supporting IFPs, allowing Renaming of IFPs from within the program help facilitate people using these plugins?

What kind of an interface would be easiest to use?

aka Monazight · Post by **aka Monazight** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:01 pm

My big question is how you guys go from a MODE tag to a bunch of .obj's, a .mtl file, etc. with DM.

I mean, I understand following tag dependencies when using plugins, but going from hex to obj...how do you guys figure this out? Must take a while

shade45 · Post by **shade45** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:04 pm

Yeah ADI style is definatly my favorite

Punk Rock0905 · Post by **Punk Rock0905** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:30 pm

Ok guys stop now before you get my topic locked. I dont care about all of these plugin types. I expiremented with xml, and I get a clash of plugin types in my topic. Thanks. JUST DROP IT

tjc2k4 · Post by **tjc2k4** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:44 pm

The topic won't get locked, it's discussion, not flaming or arguing, and this thread has more 'real' information in it than probably the 20 threads below it combined.

Anyway, I was just noting that you're doing a lot of work which was already done for you, and everyone, but if that's how you guys like to do things, go for it. I figured maybe some people didn't understand that it was already done for them, so I explained a bit about IFP's differences.

So sorry for being informative, I didn't know that's frowned upon around here.

xbox7887 · Post by **xbox7887** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:51 pm

ifps are missing indexes, byte arrays, and enums.

trepdimeflou · Post by **trepdimeflou** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:54 pm

tjc2k4 wrote:Sorry to derail this thread (although it's still pretty much about plugins), but it's silly to see people duplicating work that they don't need to.

Would a simple, ADI-type (Tree View + Editing Space, one map at a time, one tag at a time), Map Editor program, supporting IFPs, allowing Renaming of IFPs from within the program help facilitate people using these plugins?

What kind of an interface would be easiest to use?

only if it supports lightmaps and has a very intuitive camera system

Zigen · Post by **Zigen** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:06 pm

...attack of the 1337 plugin makers....

tjc2k4 · Post by **tjc2k4** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:23 pm

xbox7887 wrote:ifps are missing indexes, byte arrays, and enums.

Enums are supported.. check [weap] tags, Needler, for an example..

Indexes are something "created" after IFPs and aren't really a data type, more of a linking structure.
And Byte Arrays are another thing noticed after I finished implementing IFPs, therefore not supported in Insolence, but they'll be in all future implementations (not sure whether "indexes" will be added...)

For example

Code: Select all

<struct name="SomeName" bytes="4">
   <float/>
</struct>

To define a 16-byte byte array as 4, 4byte structures.

Zigen · Post by **Zigen** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:32 pm

so if i were to want to make an ifp plugin how would i do it?
hypethetically if i knew hex editing and stuff how would i be able to make those type of plugins?

Lavix · Post by **Lavix** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:37 pm

Yes, please post a tutorial or something on how to make those plugins. I think it would be appreciated by many.

dec1234 · Post by **dec1234** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:03 am

WOW i cant read that much i got about as far as ONFG I LOVE THIS PLUGIN

can u make things not moveable with it?

Geo · Post by **Geo** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:31 am

Dont know what the hell y'all talking about...

But punkrock.... can you make a plugin that allows you to make it brighter on the ground when a ghost boosts?!

Cheers

Punk Rock0905 · Post by **Punk Rock0905** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:11 pm

sorry to bump, but the plugin has been updated with a new value to edit. Sharpness.

casuela · Post by **casuela** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:13 pm

Punk Rock0905 wrote:sorry to bump, but the plugin has been updated with a new value to edit. Sharpness.

Does that mean that we can impale people? What exactly is that value. Can't test myself, too much homework.

-cas

Punk Rock0905 · Post by **Punk Rock0905** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:17 pm

Sharpness as in the quality. The higher makes it more blurry, the lower makes it less. Or vise versa, gotta ask my plugin tester.

xbox7887 · Post by **xbox7887** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:25 pm

Punk Rock0905 wrote:gotta ask my plugin tester.

i need to get me one of those

Lavix · Post by **Lavix** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:26 pm

yea, sharpness is used to make the edges of an image more sharp to make it seem more clean cut and professional.

ScottyGEE · Post by **ScottyGEE** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:29 pm

xbox7887 wrote:
Punk Rock0905 wrote:gotta ask my plugin tester.
i need to get me one of those

*throws one arm up inthe ir excitedly...
*offers his hand out to xbox7887 hinting at cash....

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