Section Rules - Halo 3 Modding Q&A

Rogue_Modder · Post by **Rogue_Modder** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:20 pm

CompKronos wrote:out of curiosity is it possible to mod the background for the title screen, like put in some grunts just walking around or a random master chief?

i think u can on h3. halo 2 maps was migger. the mainmenu on H3 is diffrent. so yeh. i think you can.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:28 pm

Dark-R0gue wrote:i think u can on h3.

Why?

Dark-R0gue wrote:halo 2 maps was migger.

I assume you mean "bigger." If so, then no. That is wrong.

Dark-R0gue wrote:the mainmenu on H3 is diffrent.

Hardly.

Dark-R0gue wrote:so yeh. i think you can.

You have no valid basis for thinking that.

Rogue_Modder · Post by **Rogue_Modder** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:34 pm

i was guessing. also h2 looked like it had no collision on the map. that is what i was saying "Looked."

neodos · Post by **neodos** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:49 pm

I did it on Halo 2 CompKronos

Rogue_Modder · Post by **Rogue_Modder** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:56 pm

oh. oops. my bad.

i underestimated modding.

Domnio · Post by **Domnio** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:22 am

Question 1:
I realize that you guys are not releasing tools because there is no point, but are there any laws or restrictions holding you back from releasing anything? do you fear any possible consequences that may happen as a result of releasing tools?

Question 2:
I know it is impossible, and there is no TDATA modding allowed on these forums but what if(hypothetically speaking) some one were to release a resigner for Halo 3 maps could said person face criminal charges?(please don't make a reply saying "NAWT PAWSIBLE DON EVEN ASK" because I am asking what if it happened as in I know it will never happen)

Veegie · Post by **Veegie** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:29 am

Domnio wrote:Question 1:
I realize that you guys are not releasing tools because there is no point, but are there any laws or restrictions holding you back from releasing anything? do you fear any possible consequences that may happen as a result of releasing tools?

Question 2:
I know it is impossible, and there is no TDATA modding allowed on these forums but what if(hypothetically speaking) some one were to release a resigner for Halo 3 maps could said person face criminal charges?(please don't make a reply saying "NAWT PAWSIBLE DON EVEN ASK" because I am asking what if it happened as in I know it will never happen)

There would be legal implications for both.

neodos · Post by **neodos** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:08 pm

Yes when con resigner, forge map editors and film editor, were realsed xbox live went down as well as bungie.net people lost their jobs, that's where the economic crisis really started when some kids posted pr0n images on fileshares and it,all this,was going to end up with the end of the world as predicted by the Gods of Halo Modding.

But Bungie quickly fixed it and it was allright, people kept modding but without putting modded content on their file share and they all lived happy for the rest of their lives.

Please PM me of you have something to reply to this, thanks.

kornman00 · Post by **kornman00** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:21 pm

Veegie wrote:
Domnio wrote:Question 1:
I realize that you guys are not releasing tools because there is no point, but are there any laws or restrictions holding you back from releasing anything? do you fear any possible consequences that may happen as a result of releasing tools?

Question 2:
I know it is impossible, and there is no TDATA modding allowed on these forums but what if(hypothetically speaking) some one were to release a resigner for Halo 3 maps could said person face criminal charges?(please don't make a reply saying "NAWT PAWSIBLE DON EVEN ASK" because I am asking what if it happened as in I know it will never happen)
There would be legal implications for both.

, What gives you that idea?

What about all the disassemblers, hex editors, etc made? The guy who made IDA doesn't have any "legal implications" against or on him. It's about who uses the tool and for what purpose. If you were to use say, IDA to reverse engineer a program *just* to steal it's code, then you use that code and put it in your own program, then that would set you up for possible legal implications.

As for that theoretical if statement, it all depends on how the private key, needed in order to generate a valid signature, was obtained in the first place. If it was stolen or leaked, there could be "legal implications" for all parties. However, if someone just managed to stumble upon the right parameters for generating the private key, there would be no strings attached. No strings attached until the actual use of the resigner that is. It's part of the license agreement not to circumvent any protection in place (board generalization of that section of the license agreement).

Look at the Luigi guy who found all the exploits in Halo PC (and many, many other games). He not only published the facts on the exploits, but posts tools to perform them as well, but is he the using these tools for mischievous use?...

Just because you own a gun doesn't automatically mean you're a killer. You can't be charged for murder with that gun until you actually use that gun, a tool, for ending someone's life.

Eaton · Post by **Eaton** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:29 pm

Wise words, kornman.

Rogue_Modder · Post by **Rogue_Modder** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:50 pm

were there any legal implications when the halo 2 RSA (.map resigner) was released?

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:52 pm

Legal implications and legal actions are two different things.

Eaton · Post by **Eaton** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:54 pm

Dark-R0gue wrote:were there any legal implications when the halo 2 RSA (.map resigner) was released?

Halo 2 maps only had a simple CRC checksum that wasn't even put on to stop modders. It was to make sure the file was copied correctly. And CRC is incredibly easy to figure out.

Veegie · Post by **Veegie** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:13 pm

neodos wrote:Yes when con resigner, forge map editors and film editor, were realsed xbox live went down as well as bungie.net people lost their jobs, that's where the economic crisis really started when some kids posted pr0n images on fileshares and it,all this,was going to end up with the end of the world as predicted by the Gods of Halo Modding.

But Bungie quickly fixed it and it was allright, people kept modding but without putting modded content on their file share and they all lived happy for the rest of their lives.

Please PM me of you have something to reply to this, thanks.

Honestly.
No.

I'd do a case-by-case rebuttal, but everyone already knows your reputation.

Tural wrote:Legal implications and legal actions are two different things.

chyeeeaaa

Domnio · Post by **Domnio** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:50 pm

okay, thanks for clearing that up for me everyone

especially you kornman!

Eaton · Post by **Eaton** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 3:59 pm

I have a question. Ok, so let's say that the Water Level value was found and you raised Last Resort's water level to cover the beach. Would the splash effect, item float effect, and underwater effect follow it or would it stay where the original water level was? In Halo 2 the splash effect stayed there when you raised the water because it was a plane, but I want to know if it is different in Halo 3.

latinomodder · Post by **latinomodder** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:08 pm

With CON mods you don't actually raise water, you spawn a sky tag that has some sort of water place holder, Its used as scenery not actual water that sparkles and crap

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:14 pm

Not what he's talking about.

Eaton · Post by **Eaton** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:29 pm

latinomodder wrote:With CON mods you don't actually raise water, you spawn a sky tag that has some sort of water place holder, Its used as scenery not actual water that sparkles and crap

I know that. I'm talking about literally raising the real water by map modding.

latinomodder · Post by **latinomodder** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:53 pm

Eaton wrote:
latinomodder wrote:With CON mods you don't actually raise water, you spawn a sky tag that has some sort of water place holder, Its used as scenery not actual water that sparkles and crap
I know that. I'm talking about literally raising the real water by map modding.

It probably would be, but we are not really sure we havent been able to do it in halo 3