Forge map modding

[LuxuriousMeat]

WOW did not realize the whole other page of posting so i gues my information has already been stated before but anyway:




well correct me if i am wrong here, especially because the hex is easier for me to understand then shade whitepaper (sorry shade but nice work anywork way because i can smeel the effort), but 4120 as a decimal number is 16672 but possibly and this is where i am not sure i know the input *space* is 20 so when you take that out you get 65 which is a little closer then 4120. I am trying a little ^.^


edit again:

@rocket i think you are right there is the identifier that defines all these properties of every mongoose that meets these standards...Wow i confused myself with your dilemma. It would make sense to globally define the properties for efficiency but what about spawn time? If i have time tonight i will try some research here to figure it out by testing but interesting conundrum here

Uh, the reason for 41200000 equaling 10 in decimal is because it is a float. It would equal 16672 as regular 32 bit int (which it is not in this case).

And it is in big endian so its being technically it's being read as: 00 00 20 41.

[shade45]

Also, i was reading over your layout thingy when i spotted something that didn't seem right.

Maybe i'm just thick and don't get it, or maybe this is actually incorrect.

The following image has a "Tag_Index_Entry" for 3 mongooses (or is it mongi? ) on the pit.



Please explain

I should of clarified that in the whitepaper. Its actually should be labled as "Cost of Item".

The maps are in big endian so for example the cost of a mongoose is $10



I updated the whitepaper in my previous post.

[miinaturvat]

Ok. this has cleared up a lot.

Thanks

Also, would you happen to know the beginning offset as t where the forge variant holds the co-ordinates, yaw, pitch, roll, etc... of objects?

[Veegie]

That is not difficult to determine if you just compare two files...

[miinaturvat]

It is for me

[rocket360gs]

This doesn't answer your question, but maybe it will help. The easiest way to compare two files is to use HexWorkshop and click Tools>Compare. Then you can just select two different files (say one with an object and another with the same object rotated), then it will highlight all the differences for you in bright red to compare. The only problem is figuring out which of the differences deal with the change you made and which don't (because no matter what there are going to be additional minor changes to headers etc).

[Domnio]

I have no clue if this will help anyone in anyway I'll just post this here just in case someone does make use of it...

you can convert hexadecimal, binary, and Oct into text with



Link: << clikc the smilie...

[haxalot88]

Hex Workshop = 1000x better and more powerful than that.

[Anthony]

Hex Workshop = 1000x better and more powerful than that.

010 Editor = 1,000,000x better and more powerful than Hex Workshop.

[CompKronos]

well when i looked i took avalanche spawned a double box in one map then rotated 90 and save it as the same thing with 001 on the end. What i found that makes a little sense is a change at the offset 0x00015855. Hope that helps, at all in some way

[miinaturvat]

Thanks for the help!

I had no idea Hex workshop had a file compare thingy

[rocket360gs]

Yeah, it's handy stuff

By the way, I made a bookmark file for HexWorkshop that you can just load up to automatically structure most of the usermap sections. I can upload it if you guys would like it...

[miinaturvat]

Please do

[rocket360gs]

Usermap Offsets Bookmark for HexWorkshop

Instructions:

Download here (thanks to mxrider for the hosting), and place in C:\Program Files\Break Point Software\Hex Workshop v5\Bookmarks\.

Then just open a usermap file (without extracting it using wxPirs) and on the bottom right click the open icon to browse for bookmarks.

A word of warning: these bookmarks are set up for a forge map that begins at offset 0xE000, but occasionally a forge map will start at offset 0xD000. If that is the case, then clearly the offsets will be off by 0x1000.

[miinaturvat]

Thanks!

But can you please explain...

It says "Spawned_Object_Count" and shows up 62

There are 4 objects spawned on the map... Why does it say 62?

What format is it in?

[LuxuriousMeat]

Thanks!

But can you please explain...

It says "Spawned_Object_Count" and shows up 62

There are 4 objects spawned on the map... Why does it say 62?

What format is it in?

It is a single byte.

[rocket360gs]

It says "Spawned_Object_Count" and shows up 62

There are 4 objects spawned on the map... Why does it say 62?

Yeah I was wondering the same thing when I looked at it, but I double checked the order with Shade's white paper and that IS the correct offset...

[shade45]

its because its counting the player spawn and reserved placement blocks

[rocket360gs]

its because its counting the player spawn and reserved placement blocks

Ah, that would make sense.

EDIT: OK, so I've been fortunate to have a couple of my files signed by those who know how to, and I've found a problem. I can spawn multiple objects like elephants, but I can only spawn the standard design-time max of any object that can normally be placed in Forge (like only 2 hornets or 4 choppers), even when I use the same methods of spawning. Anyone have any ideas? I'm beginning to think these max values are stored in one of the unknowns, or in the map file itself (please god no!).

[miinaturvat]

Yes you can:

public class Tag_Index_Entry : Chunk //12 Bytes * 256
{
[Ident(IdentType.ID)]
public TagReference Tag;
public byte Run_Time_Minimun;
public byte Run_Time_Maximun;
public byte Number_On_Map;
public byte Design_Time_Maximun;
public float Total_Cost;
}

If you change that, in theory, you could change how many of these onjects you can spawn

Plus, i still don't get how that could be the number of objects spawned...