THE ANSWER TO SAPIEN! STOP MAKING TOPICS! NEW INFO!

legoboy242 · Post by **legoboy242** » Thu May 06, 2004 3:42 pm

SAPIEN

1. how do i open it?

click on the start menu, and select the All Programs button. browse to Microsoft games, and click on Halo Custom Edition. from there, you can axcess all the tools.

2. HELP!!! IT CRASHED ON ME!!!

imagine sapien as halo itself. do you ever play it while you are browsing the internet, with music playing and AIM or MSN open? i dont. the fact is that sapien runs certain things from the game to function. like physics, and real-time rendering of the level. you will need to close out programs that use exsessive amounts of ram before you open it.

3. ok, i got it to work but how the hell do i move around?!

The table below lists the basic controls and key commands used in Sapien.

Control\Keyboard Key Action\Functionality

Left Mouse Button
Selects objects in the Game Window.

Holding down the Left Mouse Button over and object or object handle and dragging or moving the mouse will move the selected object.

If an object is selected in the Hierarchy view, double clicking on the object in the right pane of the Hierarchy view or window will move the Game Window camera to this object.

Right Mouse Button
Places a new instance of the selected object.

Middle Mouse Button
When the Middle Mouse Button is held while in the Game Window, the camera controls are able to be used.

Mouse Movement Left\Right
When used with the Middle Mouse Button held down, this rotates the camera yaw in the Game Window.

Mouse Movement Up\Down
When used with the Middle Mouse Button held down, this rotates the camera pitch in the Game Window.

W
When used with the Middle Mouse Button held down, this moves the camera forward in the Game Window.

A
When used with the Middle Mouse Button held down, this moves the camera backwards in the Game Window.

S
When used with the Middle Mouse Button held down, this pans the camera left in the Game Window.

D
When used with the Middle Mouse Button held down, this pans the camera right in the Game Window.

R
When used with the Middle Mouse Button held down, this moves the camera along the Z-Axis in the positive direction (up) in the Game Window.

F
When used with the Middle Mouse Button held down, this moves the camera along the Z-Axis in the negative direction (down) in the Game Window.

SHIFT
Tapping the SHIFT key changes the camera movement speed in the Game Window.

DELETE
Delete the selected the object.

~
This opens the developer console in the Game Window.

(exerpt from the halo editing reference)

4. wow, thanks. but what are all these windows for?

The Hierarchy window shows the treelist of the map, you can add stuff and whole lotta stuff like that. Selecting a folder will allow you to add stuff in the game view window by right clicking.
The properties window edits how objects are placed and used in a map.
No idea what the output window does.
The tools window edits how objects are placed in the editor itself. Basically an options menu.

(above information by dan!!)

5. ok, how do i open bloodgulch in sapien? theres no scenery file or anything!

maybe you could extract the BSP in sparkedit and make that the level data when you make a new map, if you feel like having 2 bgs at a time.

that concludes this little tidbit of info, I hope this helps all you halo-modders.

frozenflames · Post by **frozenflames** » Thu May 06, 2004 4:01 pm

Here's another ? ppl are askin

How do u open maps, other that the tutorial, in Sapien?

A:

Sapien was intended for making new levels. Unfortunatly it cannot edit the original maps.

*I quote BEEF!!!

Danke · Post by **Danke** » Thu May 06, 2004 4:14 pm

Okeedoke.
The Hierarchy window shows the treelist of the map, you can add stuff and whole lotta stuff like that. Selecting a folder will allow you to add stuff in the game view window by right clicking.
The properties window edits how objects are placed and used in a map.
No idea what the output window does.
The tools window edits how objects are placed in the editor itself. Basically an options menu.

Moltenar · Post by **Moltenar** » Thu May 06, 2004 5:19 pm

yeah but I closed ALL programs even ones tht run in the background and it STILL crashes! one time it just made the environmental sonds and all the toolbars showed but no image!

BEEF!!! · Post by **BEEF!!!** » Thu May 06, 2004 5:28 pm

It could be your video card... what one do you have?

legoboy242 · Post by **legoboy242** » Fri May 07, 2004 7:19 am

it cant be his card...i mean if he can play halo this should work too. i think there's a function before you open sapien to have it run in safemode.

Kamatzu · Post by **Kamatzu** » Fri May 07, 2004 11:24 am

Its called a tutorial, and there is a reason its there

2L8 · Post by **2L8** » Fri May 07, 2004 4:35 pm

Yeah, this doesn't even address a problem a few of us are having w/ Sapien.
When goin to open the tutorial scenario, several blank winows open and close in a matter of seconds. It's like it trys to open but then just terminates, but no error messages appear. Nothing else is running so that's not the problem. And my comp far exceeds the system req's. Now that's a problem. Help plz (if ya can).

legoboy242 · Post by **legoboy242** » Fri May 07, 2004 9:33 pm

hmm...seems like sapien has problems with certain running systems, or the program itself is registered as spyware...or...i dont know...

2L8 · Post by **2L8** » Sun May 09, 2004 11:47 pm

I'm posting everywhere to try to figure this out. Not sure but there's one forum with tons of peeps sharing my pain. I DLed it from DLX on gamespot.... anyone else did so too and having trouble? Or no trouble?

{IAS}Bunkerking · Post by **{IAS}Bunkerking** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:14 am

make shure u have updated drivers

Monte_Kano · Post by **Monte_Kano** » Sun May 16, 2004 6:50 pm

well wut if ur controls for moving wuz double clicking the left mouse button instead of w a s d r f ??

the sentianal__ · Post by **the sentianal__** » Mon May 17, 2004 12:55 pm

oh and if u see a white screen and no game pics the game view is probably minimized.(that happened to me lol)

Banshee Ace · Post by **Banshee Ace** » Mon May 17, 2004 3:38 pm

um let me tell you another step you forgot.

3a. NOOOO, Sapian crashed on me even after I closed down all my programs and I didn't touch my mouse at all while it was initializing!!!

3b. Reinstall HEK and try Sapian again.

3c. If it works good for you.

3d. If it doesn't work after you reinstalled HEK, your halo map maing days are over. (Unles of course you get a better computer)

Um. Im screwed.

elbat 4 · Post by **elbat 4** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:19 pm

Hey does anyone know how to move objects up and down in sapien instead of just moveing them across the ground?

blink 182 · Post by **blink 182** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:33 pm

There are 3 arrows sticking out from every object. To drag an object up or down, click and hold the red arrow(the one sticking up).

coodude25 · Post by **coodude25** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:43 pm

IF SAPIEN CRASHES, DON'T FRET YET.
this happened to me and i got it fixed easily. Sapien is a wierd program, and it doesn't like when you do some things, like for me i tried to delete a fog pallet. to correct this problem, open your scenario tag in guerrilla and delete the fog pallet or whatever you did last, then use tool to compile the jms file for your level again (all of your sapien stuff will be saved, but the bsp file will be overwritten with a new blank one) then open sapien up again, and it should work right.

km1990 · Post by **km1990** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 7:58 pm

2L8.
make sure that ur display is running at 32 bit true color. the same thing happened to me and once i changed to true color 32 bit it worked. im not guaranteeing anything but i hope it works