Halo 3 Gametype Editor

[Anthony]

When did i get pissy?

Anthony knows how to resign con files, but he won't share the info because he doesn't want people "cheating."

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[turk645]

well said anthony.

Anyway did it ever acure to you that he isnt releasing the info cause he doesnt feel like its the right time yet or cause he doesnt feel like explaining it? Look at me, i havent released the hud info in halo 2 to many people mostly cause i suck at explaining myself when it comes to that kind of reflexive set up, and cause detox is still suposedly working on an app ;P.

[Xodus]

Dark, then release the fruggin EXE.

[Zone 117]

A few of you may have seen me on other forums as Kast130.

Aren't you that XBL modder/cheater from that 7sins site?

[-DeToX-]

But anthony. Anything can be used for cheating. Forge maps, gametypes and that can't be used for cheating, except for custom games, in which anything can be used to cheat. Technically anything modding 360 wise can lead to cheating so does that mean we will never mod? I mean wouldn't it make more sense. Technically halomods wouldn't have existed if people kept things to themselves for the sake of cheating. Well atleast Halo 2 wouldn't be around, or wouldn't support halo 2 xbox modding.

Also Turk i know, i've delayed that for a while. I'll get back onto it.

[Tural]

Did I miss where Anthony even gave that as his sole reason?

[-DeToX-]

Did I miss where Anthony even gave that as his sole reason?

I believe you did. Because alot of people are telling me thats why he won't give it away. =x.

I believe he even told that to Shad0w LAG too... Who told me. Then I saw this.

[Anthony]

Did I miss where Anthony even gave that as his sole reason?

I believe you did. Because alot of people are telling me thats why he won't give it away. =x.

I believe he even told that to Shad0w LAG too... Who told me. Then I saw this.

i tell Shad0w LAG that because he just wont listen to any other reasons... and he wont stop bugging about it..

the main fact is that its not my research to share. I am lucky enough to have them help me in the first place so im not going to even bother

[Shadow LAG]

Stop bugging you about it? I talked to you once ingame and you sounded not one bit agitated as a matter of fact I let you talk the whole time, don't pawn this off on me. Also detox I used that "anything can be used for cheating" argument before and it just doesn't matter to anyone. People do what they want, when they want, how they want. Its not our decision to make sadly. So we're boned until someone else makes one for us.

[-DeToX-]

the main fact is that its not my research to share. I am lucky enough to have them help me in the first place so im not going to even bother

Ah I see. nvm then.

[The_Dark_One555]

Still, Anthony holding information from us slows down greatly, if not stops some of our modding process. Well mine anyways, because .map's are too complicated for me so im working more with Forge and gametype variants.

But i will release some more info, but most of you probably know already:

Instead of using numbers to adjust the speed and gravity and other stuff, bungie made increments. For instance, lets say Speed is at Offset 123456,
the value at that offset would be something like 0x01 which is 100% speed or 0x02 which is 125% speed. Basicly that elimnates the possibilty of having like 1% Gravity or 3000% Speed. Dont give up hope yet, as we may find around a way around that.

Things that are possible (Some im guessing at) are that we can set the kill count REALLY high like 50000 or some shit, but im kinda on the fence about that considering the Kill Count value is a Byte, not an Int32 or similar.

Although some of this may seem disappointing, Im almost CERTAIN you can make it so you start with no weapon. Unfortunately i can't test it because a certain someone is withholding signing information...

I am unsure as to whether you can add Icons to your Gametype name like you could in Halo 2. (i.e (Sniper symbol)Snipers!(Sniper Symbol)).

Thanks for your time.

Edit: Go Away Zone...

[Shadow LAG]

Sorry man but its a lost cause. Hes determined to keep his boundrys. Nothing anyone says will change that. Besides not even anthony knows how to mod the maps as of now, I will leave it up to him to explain the reason for that. Also Anthony himself doesn't do the resigns he has someone do it for him.

[Prey]

Instead of using numbers to adjust the speed and gravity and other stuff, bungie made increments. For instance, lets say Speed is at Offset 123456,
the value at that offset would be something like 0x01 which is 100% speed or 0x02 which is 125% speed. Basicly that elimnates the possibilty of having like 1% Gravity or 3000% Speed. Dont give up hope yet, as we may find around a way around that.

Ah, an Enum.. well there aint gonna be a way round that then :\

Things that are possible (Some im guessing at) are that we can set the kill count REALLY high like 50000 or some ****, but im kinda on the fence about that considering the Kill Count value is a Byte, not an Int32 or similar.

Well, the highest you'll get with an unsigned byte is only 255.. >_<

[DWells55]

Still, Anthony holding information from us slows down greatly, if not stops some of our modding process.

Dude, he's working in a team and doesn't want to release work that isn't his. Why is that difficult to understand? You can't expect the guy to leak information that'll get him kicked out. Furthermore, he actually has a point about cheating. Until we're sure about what's possible with profile editing, it's a possibility. Remember how setting the player model to an invalid value in Halo 2 resulted in instant reloading before the 1.1 update?

Instead of using numbers to adjust the speed and gravity and other stuff, bungie made increments. For instance, lets say Speed is at Offset 123456,
the value at that offset would be something like 0x01 which is 100% speed or 0x02 which is 125% speed. Basicly that elimnates the possibilty of having like 1% Gravity or 3000% Speed. Dont give up hope yet, as we may find around a way around that.

I'm more familiar dealing with source code than compiled code, but based on what you said, the only way to change that would be to change the enumerated type itself which I assume is stored in the .xex. Seeing how it will never be possible to resign .xex files and that there's no way to run unsigned 360-native executables on the 360 right now, I'd say it's impossible.

I am unsure as to whether you can add Icons to your Gametype name like you could in Halo 2. (i.e (Sniper symbol)Snipers!(Sniper Symbol)).

I have my doubts about it this time around. In Halo 2 they were just simple values along with the rest of the text. The game had it's own input method (virtual keyboard) as opposed the Halo 3 which uses the standard Xbox 360 interface for text input. I'm really just going off gut instinct here, but I don't think it's possible this time around.

Well, the highest you'll get with an unsigned byte is only 255.. >_<

How's that work again? 0-255 for unsigned bytes and -128-127 for signed? I code mostly in Java where I believe bytes are signed by default.

I wonder why Bungie limited themselves to a byte this time. Seems like all they did was impose a limit on themselves if they ever wanted to have some crazy 500 kill gametype or something. It was an int in Halo 2 right? I doubt memory was enough of an issue to warrant the change.

[Prey]

How's that work again? 0-255 for unsigned bytes and -128-127 for signed? I code mostly in Java where I believe bytes are signed by default.

An unsigned data type can't be negative, so it doesn't have to store whether it is negative/positive. Signed on the other hand can be both, and so one bit must be reserved for which sign the number is, thus there can be less bit patterns meaning a smaller maximum number. And yes your ranges are correct.

I wonder why Bungie limited themselves to a byte this time. Seems like all they did was impose a limit on themselves if they ever wanted to have some crazy 500 kill gametype or something. It was an int in Halo 2 right? I doubt memory was enough of an issue to warrant the change.

Because they're never going to do such a gametype I suppose, and it does also stop crackers from doing some crazy kill limit too.

[JacksonCougAr]

infinite is still dar right? I never checked..

[The_Dark_One555]

I havent done much testing, but im pretty sure kill points (the amount of points you get for a kill [default=1]) and suicide points are not enum's, just bytes so technically you could make it where a headshot gives you 100 points...

Again i haven't tested this theory. Oh, and i think im getting close to a breakthrough on Signing the CON files...

Also with profile modding, cheating could be a problem. If someone cracks the profile, you could (in theory) give your self Recon Armor, unlock achievements you have yet to get, etc....

Finally, im looking for people who would like to help with this project. No programming knowledge is required. But you do need Xport360 or XSata. Add my MSN if you're interested.

MSN: [email protected]

[DWells55]

I believe the flaming head is also an armor permutation, so figuring out how to resign profiles would mean non-Bungie employees with flaming heads.

[Anthony]

Again i haven't tested this theory. Oh, and i think im getting close to a breakthrough on Signing the CON files...

well good luck with that...

Also with profile modding, cheating could be a problem. If someone cracks the profile, you could (in theory) give your self Recon Armor, unlock achievements you have yet to get, etc....

profile hacking is already possible... and no you can just "give yourself" the recon armor trust me...

Finally, im looking for people who would like to help with this project.

I tried to help you... you just turned down the info on how to do it correctly...


and also.. If I ever release anything (of course I would need permission from the people helping me in the first place) it would be on here so feel free to check it out once and a while
http://www.bungie.net/stats/Halo3/FileS ... Anth0ny562

[Tural]

I believe the flaming head is also an armor permutation, so figuring out how to resign profiles would mean non-Bungie employees with flaming heads.

Maybe. It's linked to their servers, which it checks when you play. I assume it would detect if you had a permutation you're not supposed to have. It would work offline, but I don't think it's practical that it would work on Live. There's already people who have modified things to get the flaming helmet (Chest plate) and Recon (Chest, head, shoulders), but those were done in local games. It would work locally, but if you went online with that profile, it would probably re-lock the armor. It may not even be possible to do with profile editing, it may be a Live-only thing. It's plausible that you can only do it via memory hacking or being a Bungie employee signed in to Xbox Live.