"3volve" Today!

[Yamagushi]

I don't see why everyone is blowing up... If they don't want their mod in there then so be it.
To make people more peaceful about this, it should have said that they'll take any map that includes bsp changes, skins, fog, and so on(no balance changes like new weapons and vehicles). That way it would not take away from the map but add to it.

Thank you. This is exactly how I feel. We didnt ask for opinions on it, we asked for people who want to do this with there maps. If you dont, Leave this post, and dont say anything. If you do great post about it and well see how it goes.

[ScottyGEE]

Want a clean up then?

[Yamagushi]

Meh i just spoke with dark and we decided to release the tags we worked on, this includes all weapons but the SL and includes the Spike nade. Check back for a post on em later.

[DarkShallFall]

I feel like releasing the tags will be a load off a lot of our backs. We have been working on 3volved all summer and we want a break. So releasing the tags does not mean that there will be updates to the tags in the future it just means we don't have the time now and we don't wanna keep you waiting.

[Yamagushi]

http://forums.halomods.com/viewtopic.ph ... 451#693451

[JacksonCougAr]

I am very concerned about the lack of understanding in this post still

I could not give you the map back to you non-encrypted because I did not have permission to distribute all the tags contained in them afterwards.

We simply stated we wanted credit.

The most controversial point may have been the fact that I wanted to limit where the maps where distributed from. All this would have meant was that you couldn't just go adding our content into a bunch of random ass map-packs because the content contained within was still AceMods and since we had had plans to officially support this mod with a DL site, and updates, we didn't want to have "lecher" packs. You could still distribute your original map however you feel like.

Frankly from my point of view almost every reply to this thread has been entirely ridicules. Since when do we owe it to the someone to give them our mod just because they want to give us theirs so we can spend time and energy converting it, then have them turn around and screw with it? And why would I want to do this service to someone for free then have them turn around a release it as say an AI revision map, or some other map-pack when there is going to be official support of this mod?

I just don't understand how this could get such a negative response! Normally when you submit your map to a map-pack you keep all rights because you made everything in that mod. This is a different case because it involves combining both mods. We only wanted our content released via official channels so that the content was always the same calibre and you wouldn't have to go looking for the maps everywhere.

[newbymodder]

all i have to truly say on this is i see both sides of the pact, but my team doesn't like mixing content so i think most of us 2.5 guys will keep our maps in our project the same as 3volved is doing, it just makes it more original to that team for it to be there mappack and not have any one tamper with it, like jackson said. Although im up on sharing info on how to do stuff, just not the whole content of it. I don't think telling people they can submit there map if they want to is lazy, i just think that its a good way for people who can't fully understand how to do something bot be like okay i have a good base map the 3volved guys can make it a great mod with there stuff so im going to let them have it.

[JacksonCougAr]

Okay, the reason I am sending you a pm is becuase I'm banned currently. However, I disagree with your post-
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You retain all you rights to the original mod, but when you give us your mod to be transformed you give up those rights, but only for the version that is "3volved"! Think of it this way. You retain all the rights to the base mod, but we retain the rights to '3volved'. And since its not us who need to bargain with you we are in a position to put restrictions on where our 3volved content may be distributed from.

Technicly *spelling?*, you retain no rights to any of the content of 3volved. Those rights belong to the makers of Halo 3, Bungie. Saying that you "own" the weapons that you've copied off of halo3 is like stealing from Bungie themselves. Which my friend, is illegal. So, don't say that you have any rights to the content. However, you are allowed to decide to release it, or keep it.
P.S. If I've been rude, I apoligize.

Stupidity has no boundaries :p

[((N8))]

by returning the mod encrypted acemods would be esentialy saying "you share all your knowlage with us but we won't share ours with you"

I just have to say, if you can't spell knowledge you obviously don't have any.

[ScottyGEE]

He does have a point But one can easily work out what you were originally trying to get across.

[warlord]

basicly their saying:
"send us your mod we'll put out tags in the map mess with the arrangements to "ballance" your mod send it back locked so you cant open it nor can you release the map unless its released in a acemods map pack plus we get all the rights you would have had before hand.
Sounds like a microsoft trick to me.

[theycallmechad]

No, it means that with THEIR content in it you can't open your map. I don't think anybody here is going to be so stupid that they're going to send their ONLY copy of their map to the 3Volved team. You still should have your original map with YOU original content. All they're trying to do is protect THEIR content, which I believe they have every right to do. If you want to have your map "3volved," you still can release your regular map without their content. It's YOURS, after all. They can't tell you what you can and can't do with your own work (and aren't implying that they are).

[Halo2Cheats]

cool, i may want to get one of my skinned maps "3volved"

[bumlove]

((N8)) if you're going to try discredit my argument try use something a little more weighty than One spelling mistake. Do you spend a lot of time correcting people's spelling mistakes on the internet? I'm a electrical enginner not a English student

Acemods did the right thing releasing their tags that they worked so hard upon for the comunity to learn from (I myself was inspired by the spiker sticking properties to develope C4) and I will continue to review the tags and their properties to learn more and to be inspired further (I would like to develope a less laggy tripmine)
Hopefully soon they might tell us how they got around the equipment issue (the reason why auto updates need to be switched off)

As for the map pack rights, If you are still in doubt acemods only hold the right to prevent their work (evolved content) being used in other map packs, rightly so (a lot of you little timmys out their would love to claim their credit) your original mod remains yours (erm bungie's really)

Whilst I do not agree with this idea I understand their point of view towards work they spent a lot of time upon

Since both sides of the argument have been covered fully this thread no longer needs any more points of view and from here should only have people requesting to sign up their mods to become 3volved

If you disagree with me or want to correct my spelling puntuation or grammar don't bother do it here as I have no further interest in this thread

[((N8))]

Whatever.

Don't you just love how my screen name ends up with a smiley in it when you try to write it? LOL. (although you can disable smilies in a post, most with the average IQ would not think of doing so)

Hope Jackson's back when school starts...getting bored of playing halo 3 with Trevor LOL

[kibito87]

WOW. Well, i'm glad to see everyone wants to argue about it in the thread and completely derail it from it's original intention. Stop arguing with each other here. Go argue in PM's if you want to carry this on further.

[crabby]

why wont you 3volved people let anyone extract the tags? or the map to be edited?

[Yamagushi]

Basically everything but the vehicles have been released..... do a search...