Do you think Users should be shut down/merged?

gh0570fchurch · Post by **gh0570fchurch** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:47 pm

The problem with IF's ideas, is it almost seems like you would be punishing people for other's mistakes. Does that sound right?

Excal · Post by **Excal** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:50 pm

xXxCocoFangxXx wrote:I don't agree with IF.

Care to explain why?...

Although it seems like a good idea... I doubt anyone will ever come around to adding the feature unless Iron Forge does so himself... and I never intended to base my Senior Member group off of post count, but off of members who we all know for reputation and experience. I was actually going to lay out a list of requirements... one of which would be you have to actually contribute something to the community in order to be considered. Its a bit more complicated than it seems.. but we'll see what happens. I'll talk to gren later this week about the issue and see whats going to happen.

Should I repost the poll?... it seems most of you have changed your mind but voted otherwise... I feel as if the poll doesn't properly represent the views of the community on this subject.

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:27 pm

Yeah Iron_Forge, I've never really supported a post-count based thing either... Your idea/Excal's are definitely better, I just figured we should have a "special" group of some sort.

rossmum · Post by **rossmum** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:59 pm

If you guys got a special group up, and could somehow manage to get around the dupe accounts in such a way that nobody loses their original posts (not the count, just the posts) and they can pick which to sacrifice, then I'd be willing to give it a try, I guess.

And yeah, don't base it on post count, because there are awesome members with <500 posts like metkillerjoe and there are idiots with >500.

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:10 pm

Yeah, it was kind of stupid of me to bring that up

SnaFuBAR · Post by **SnaFuBAR** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:47 pm

i like the karma rep idea. also, i think the punishment for your friend being a complete jackass is unlikely to have to take place (but a good idea), since the whole idea of an exclusive section is just what it says. exclude the morons. if one guy likes an idiot, and 10 people cant' stand him, hey, i think it works out.

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:18 pm

Yeah, as long as we don't include the actual karma mod... (forum-wide, you know the thing)

SnaFuBAR · Post by **SnaFuBAR** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:48 pm

yeah. a forumwide rep system prooved unreliable at gbx. i think if the actual group of members who belonged to that section controlled how they gave rep, it would be easier to monitor and control amongst them.

the worst thing to do is let 50,000 10 year old nubs control rep. it's like giving an angry child a gun and waiting to see what happens. the things gonna explode in your face. just let the established, knowledgable members control forum access rep.

rossmum · Post by **rossmum** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:07 am

SnaFuBAR wrote:yeah. a forumwide rep system prooved unreliable at gbx. i think if the actual group of members who belonged to that section controlled how they gave rep, it would be easier to monitor and control amongst them.

the worst thing to do is let 50,000 10 year old nubs control rep. it's like giving an angry child a gun and waiting to see what happens. the things gonna explode in your face. just let the established, knowledgable members control forum access rep.

QFT.

I <3 rep, but I </3 little kids.

Iron_Forge · Post by **Iron_Forge** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:50 am

gh0570fchurch wrote:The problem with IF's ideas, is it almost seems like you would be punishing people for other's mistakes. Does that sound right?

If you vouch for your friend, and they turn out to be a blabbering flaming idiot, shouldn't you take some of the responsibility for letting him in?..Repercussions are required, otherwise lots of people will vouch for lots of people because they can, who cares if they turn out to be stupid...As far as I

angry man · Post by **angry man** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:27 am

Actually I like the fact that no post count is shown unlike most forums. That way, people judge you on your post rather than your post count.. anyways thats what everyone is saying so that has no relavince. I like the idea of Karma and the fact that it won't be like other karma systems on forums. The only thing i don't like is the punishment for the people that suggested the person, because they could be really smart and helpful at times then turn abnoixius at times. I guess thats just 1 small circumstance, but I think it will still have an impact. anyways, I don't think you need to redo the poll, the majority of the people have gotten over the idea of merging, and are on to how to do it.

Sarb · Post by **Sarb** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:09 pm

Anyone willing to code something like this? oR does something similar exist?

Three Canadian posts in a row.

JK-47 · Post by **JK-47** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:31 pm

Ok you know what? Just no, I thought more about it and realized how rediculous this is. Halomods is perfect the way it is, and it's run just fine like this for about 3 years.
I'll admit Excal has done some really good things to this site that I can't complain about, but I really don't think this can help halomods.

angry man · Post by **angry man** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:06 pm

Sarb wrote:Anyone willing to code something like this? oR does something similar exist?

Three Canadian posts in a row.

Canada FTW! (Maple Leafs Beat Canadians 5-1 for anyone that cares about hockey

)

Multi, I has been good but it's slowing down a lot and becoming less active. I agree with most people that it should be merged. there is no real point in having 2 seperate forums... think of it like like a sandwich files and users are the bread.. the stuff on the inside is the improvments to come with the merger.. apart they are alright but together they make something really good.

JK-47 · Post by **JK-47** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:08 pm

Angry Man wrote:
Sarb wrote:Anyone willing to code something like this? oR does something similar exist?

Three Canadian posts in a row.
Canada FTW! (Maple Leafs Beat Canadians 5-1 for anyone that cares about hockey )

Multi, I has been good but it's slowing down a lot and becoming less active. I agree with most people that it should be merged. there is no real point in having 2 seperate forums... think of it like like a sandwich files and users are the bread.. the stuff on the inside is the improvments to come with the merger.. apart they are alright but together they make something really good.

The users forum has been this way ever since 2005. It's a stupid reason to merge forums for more posts. The Files Forum is at its usual pace, except for the fact that theres no real quality mods and stuff anymore :\

angry man · Post by **angry man** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:14 pm

Because everyone is bust chatting in users

Rallos · Post by **Rallos** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:40 pm

Angry Man wrote:
Sarb wrote:Anyone willing to code something like this? oR does something similar exist?

Three Canadian posts in a row.
Canada FTW! (Maple Leafs Beat Canadians 5-1 for anyone that cares about hockey )

Multi, I has been good but it's slowing down a lot and becoming less active. I agree with most people that it should be merged. there is no real point in having 2 seperate forums... think of it like like a sandwich files and users are the bread.. the stuff on the inside is the improvments to come with the merger.. apart they are alright but together they make something really good.

It has been less active before.

rossmum · Post by **rossmum** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:48 pm

Sarb wrote:Anyone willing to code something like this? oR does something similar exist?

Three Canadian posts in a row.

*Four. I'm Canadian.

If they can get it to work out fine, then it wouldn't be a HUGE issue for me, but it's easier to leave it and it's fine as is anyway.

Iron_Forge · Post by **Iron_Forge** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:13 am

Alright, we need to step back for a minute, and see where we are...

First off, technical matters about the merge, and how it can or can't be done are irrelevant...No one here would be doing any of it, so just because it would be hard shouldn't effect your opinion on whether or not this is a good idea...

My pro's for the idea:

~ We will have much more active staff on both sides of the equation...UF has some very active JA's, something files lacks, files has some very active moderators, something users lacks...By putting it all under one roof, they can both keep track of all reports, and keep the site cleaner as a result...

~ Changes can come about easier...Lets face it, upgrading one board correctly is alot of work...Managing two is more work...If they were merged, we wouldn't have to worry about both, upgrades could be done on one test board, tested, and implimented...

~ Colaberation of social members...Notice, very few UF members bothered posting in this thread...Most people just don't care about announcements...FF is the same way, however, it's a compeletly different group of people...A thread like this wasn't made over there...Plenty of them probably don't know anything about these discussions, and would probably have productive things to add from there perspective...

Now, as for your cons, to the best of my ability, and my counter arguement:

~ There is a far greater number of less than mature members on files forum, who will invade every aspect of your life and make it miserable...To this I do disagree, a simple look at the halo 2 discussion board will show you they exist here too...I should also point out, there is nothing stopping these people from coming here now...They simply don't want to...Granted a merge will make it easier for them, and some of them will come...But for the most part, I believe most still won't be bothered...

~ The site is fine the way it is...You're right...For the most part, the site is fine...Though, the status quo will never allow the site to be better at the risk of becoming worse...I've been here longer than any of you...I also know the site was better a year ago, but better still 2 years ago, and better still 3 years ago...The site will always be slowly worse than it was, simply because the magic you felt when you first found the site dies alittle as you run out of things to do, see, and learn...Therefore, I for one am willing to take that risk to bring back alittle spark to halomods...

metkillerjoe · Post by **metkillerjoe** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:00 am

Most people just don't care about announcements

I think people do care, but the smart ones don't think they can contribute anything. Some of them just don't think they are smart enough to contribute anything. And some of them, I'm sure, just won't post because they see that people that are higher in seniority are posting and are very hesitant.

I am the combination of the latter two.

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