bsp injection possible?

xzodia04 · Post by **xzodia04** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:41 pm

i was woundering if it is possible to inject a bsp into a map without the collision, ive searched the forums and i cant find anything saying how i have glitchy's bsptool but when i try 2 use it i just get an error. i no it must b possible since glitchy did it. can any1 help?

Infern0 · Post by **Infern0** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:41 pm

xzodia04 wrote:i was woundering if it is possible to inject a bsp into a map without the collision, ive searched the forums and i cant find anything saying how i has glitchy's bsptool but when i try 2 use it i just get an error. i no it must b possible since glitchy did it. can any1 help?

Not sure if it's possible, and i don't really expect it to be possible.

But if it is, hell has frozen over.

xzodia04 · Post by **xzodia04** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:43 pm

if its not possible how did glitchly do it b4 he released his app

jamesr66a · Post by **jamesr66a** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:42 pm

It's very possible, just hard at the moment.

Fantom13 · Post by **Fantom13** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:08 pm

Injecting BSP without a new collision is simple. Injecting it WITH a new collision would be quite hard.

Juniorman030790 · Post by **Juniorman030790** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:02 pm

It's possible but not publicly. So if you're not 1337 then keep dreaming.

jamesr66a · Post by **jamesr66a** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:12 pm

Juniorman030790 wrote:It's possible but not publicly. So if you're not 1337 then keep dreaming.

Well manual BSP editing is possible through hex, and GlitchyGuardian's BSP tools works some times..

shade45 · Post by **shade45** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:45 am

Right now its is possible to inject with collision but it has to be done by hand right now becouse there's no program to do it, so its very time consuming

Talin64 · Post by **Talin64** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:58 pm

I don't think glitchy injected a bsp.
You had better check your facts. Most likely it was a large model.

The fact is that nobody has even figured out the complete format of the raw bsp model data. That should really be the first task if you wanted to inject bsps from CE or H1.

Fantom13 · Post by **Fantom13** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:00 pm

It is possible to use glitchies BSP tools to inject the bsp. Only collision is an issue.

xzodia04 · Post by **xzodia04** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:01 pm

glitchly released a patch for coag and beaver creek a couple of months ago with a modified bsp(but with the same collison model) thats the kind of im going for

jamesr66a · Post by **jamesr66a** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:32 pm

Talin64 wrote: The fact is that nobody has even figured out the complete format of the raw bsp model data. That should really be the first task if you wanted to inject bsps from CE or H1.

Actually, in the SBSP tag, the verticies are stored in DWORD format. so an example would be:

067E 5342 38A4 2341 7496 5432

Ok, so the first set:

067E 5342

is the X coordinate.

The second set:

38A4 2341

is the Y coordinate.

The final set:

7496 5432

is the Z coordinate. This repeats until the end of that BSP model.

Now in OBJ format:

v 108942146 950281025 1956009010

^ That would be the first verticie hence the first line.

BTW all this knowlege was from Punk Rock0509

Talin64 · Post by **Talin64** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:33 pm

I just looked at glitchy's code he extracted, the verts and the indces and reimported into a new map. I think jefff did something similar already.
The problem is those maps have visibility issues. The other problem is there are 11 resources in the raw bsp data he only modifies/updates two.
jamesr66a you just described 1 of the 11, that format is called "32bit floating point"

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