Interesting thought.

[cc]z@nd! · Post by **[cc]z@nd!** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:46 pm

hold on, let me put in my 2 cents real quick, as it hasn't been said yet.

the bible, i believe, is true. however, it is also very, very vauge, and then there's the problems of translating the old testament from hebrew to other languages, and then the different versions of the bible that people decided they had the right to edit. point in case, different version bibles mention different things, and something in the old testament lost in translation is where moses crossed the red sea. turns out, it wasn't the red sea, but the hebrew word for reed, thus making to original text the reed sea, changing the location from a gigantic body of water, to a large marshy area, it seems.

also, because the bible is vauge, and often uses stories to emphasize a moral, and because it wasn't written at the exact time of the event, but later after it was passed on by oral retelling, it is nowhere near as accurate as people would want, which leaves it open to attack and ridiculed by lack of proof.

metkillerjoe · Post by **metkillerjoe** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:51 pm

My religion teacher basically said that you can't take the Bible literally, but 100 or so years ago that was the case.

The Church, is a bunch of bandaides because when some people finally started criticizing publically they weren't prepared for it, so they started making temporary fixes which are becoming so apparrent now that it all just seems corrupt and useless.

a mammoth · Post by **a mammoth** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:59 pm

Translation is difficult with other languages, for instance something may mean multiple things in English that we do not have a word for, for instance, there may be a word that means: Fat but doesn't eat much do to lack of food so he's just weird like that. Well that may be just translated as fat or poor. Plus there are words that mean multiple things. I know thats a horrible example too.

Hushed, Please don't call my God a giant spaghetti monster again, its offending.

The bible has a lot (can't remember exact number) prophecies and all have been fulfilled to the full extent or have yet to be fulfilled. It was also written over 2000 years. By a lot of different authors. It also contains no contradicts. Do you think that would be possible without divine intervention? I do.

Gods not a fire and brim stone god waiting to zap you with his lightning bolts. He's loving, so loving that in fact, he came down and died so that everyone wouldn't go to hell, thats the basis of being a Christian.

And why Christianity? Because it is not a religion, its a relationship with Jesus man.

Explosive American · Post by **Explosive American** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:15 pm

Hushed didn't call your God a spaghetti monster. He was simply making an argument in which he described that, just as we cannot prove that God didn't make the universe, we also can't prove that a giant spaghetti monster didn't make it. He in no way called your God a spaghetti monster. As for your posts in this thread, stop trying to force feed people religion. It'll only get you a bad reputaton.

The_Hushed_Casket · Post by **The_Hushed_Casket** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:25 pm

a mammoth wrote:The bible has a lot (can't remember exact number) prophecies and all have been fulfilled to the full extent or have yet to be fulfilled. It was also written over 2000 years. By a lot of different authors. It also contains no contradicts. Do you think that would be possible without divine intervention? I do.

You are flat-out wrong here. Lying through your teeth. The Bible is full of contradictions (Source). As for the prophecies, I think you're thinking of Nostradamus, not the Bible. I have never heard of multiple Biblical prophecies coming true. I could be wrong; if you have proof of this, by all means tell me. But I think I would have heard of this.

a mammoth wrote:Gods not a fire and brim stone god waiting to zap you with his lightning bolts. He's loving, so loving that in fact, he came down and died so that everyone wouldn't go to hell, thats the basis of being a Christian.

Oh? Is that why he will condemn me to an eternity of damnation if I don't follow his instructions to the 't'?

Explosive American · Post by **Explosive American** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:36 pm

Stop with the arguing!

rossmum · Post by **rossmum** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:10 pm

Explosive American wrote:Stop with the arguing!

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Also, I agree with Zandi, you can't take it literally. It should be based on how you interpret the bible (within reason), not how the Church does.

I'm Christian, but I'm no fan of the church. They're just a bunch of posh gits claiming to be God's spokesmen on Earth, when really they're just scooping up the money and forcing their version of events on people. The real spokesmen of God are the ones who preach freedom of choice and such, not this "give us your money and believe what we say" bullshit.

turk645 · Post by **turk645** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:57 am

also mamoth, no one is forcing their ideas on you so stop interpreting it that way. Just understand the fact that people think differently than you and if they say their opinion that they arent telling you how to live.

JK-47 · Post by **JK-47** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:36 am

rossmum wrote:
Explosive American wrote:Stop with the arguing!
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Also, I agree with Zandi, you can't take it literally. It should be based on how you interpret the bible (within reason), not how the Church does.

I'm Christian, but I'm no fan of the church. They're just a bunch of posh gits claiming to be God's spokesmen on Earth, when really they're just scooping up the money and forcing their version of events on people. The real spokesmen of God are the ones who preach freedom of choice and such, not this "give us your money and believe what we say" bullshit.

Nice interperitation of church.

metkillerjoe · Post by **metkillerjoe** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:15 am

multi-genre wrote:
rossmum wrote:
Explosive American wrote:Stop with the arguing!
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Also, I agree with Zandi, you can't take it literally. It should be based on how you interpret the bible (within reason), not how the Church does.

I'm Christian, but I'm no fan of the church. They're just a bunch of posh gits claiming to be God's spokesmen on Earth, when really they're just scooping up the money and forcing their version of events on people. The real spokesmen of God are the ones who preach freedom of choice and such, not this "give us your money and believe what we say" bullshit.
Nice interperitation of church.

I agree. I was going to say that, but living in Massachusettes you get to be VERY politically correct.

a mammoth · Post by **a mammoth** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:21 am

rossmum wrote:
Explosive American wrote:Stop with the arguing!
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Also, I agree with Zandi, you can't take it literally. It should be based on how you interpret the bible (within reason), not how the Church does.

I'm Christian, but I'm no fan of the church. They're just a bunch of posh gits claiming to be God's spokesmen on Earth, when really they're just scooping up the money and forcing their version of events on people. The real spokesmen of God are the ones who preach freedom of choice and such, not this "give us your money and believe what we say" bullshit.

That doesn't sound like my church, my church is awesome. We used to be next to a tattoo parlor.

[cc]z@nd! · Post by **[cc]z@nd!** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:14 pm

clarify, because being next to a tattoo parlor can make your church seem like it's just some small place in a stip mall, or in a bad part of town. also, i odn't see how a tattoo parlor has anything to do with how cool a church is.

for example, i don't like the church i used to go to. VERY big. completely packed with people. you go in, sing a bit, listen to the preacher pray, give your tithe, listen to a lecture, sing another song, go home. it's so big there's easily a thousand people in mass at once. also, when the preacher isn't doing the standard of preaching over a section in the bible with a moral while he interprets it, he's usually talking about the church's budget, future expansion, and other nonsense. personally, i prefer a small congregation of less than 500 people. everyone gives their 10% tithe (as i remember it as 10%), listen to the important lesson the preacher has, whether it's about current events and their relation to the bible or a passage in the bible, and we go home. money should only be brought in when collecting tithes or bringing an important matter to light, like repairing part of the church or something.

noxiousraccoon · Post by **noxiousraccoon** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:53 pm

a mammoth wrote: The bible has a lot (can't remember exact number) prophecies and all have been fulfilled to the full extent or have yet to be fulfilled. It was also written over 2000 years. By a lot of different authors. It also contains no contradicts. Do you think that would be possible without divine intervention? I do.

The Mia Empire had better predictions than the bible.

metkillerjoe · Post by **metkillerjoe** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:19 pm

All predictions are based on human behavior and how eventually history repeats itself. The bible has more morals than predictions, though.

gh0570fchurch · Post by **gh0570fchurch** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:11 pm

metkillerjoe wrote:All predictions are based on human behavior and how eventually history repeats itself. The bible has more morals than predictions, though.

Uhm no, what about the Apocalypse? Not sure if that has happened before, you know the world ending, etc.

[cc]z@nd! · Post by **[cc]z@nd!** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:05 pm

not yet, but all that means is we have to wait and see what it's like and when it happens. i've got money on either on world conflict leading to worldwide war, or a space-borne comet/asteroid, or a terrible epidemic or world disaster.

MaestroMan · Post by **MaestroMan** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:53 pm

[cc]z@nd! wrote:not yet, but all that means is we have to wait and see what it's like and when it happens. i've got money on either on world conflict leading to worldwide war, or a space-borne comet/asteroid, or a terrible epidemic or world disaster.

Yeah, it makes you think when you see how many nuclear missiles the world has now

turk645 · Post by **turk645** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:21 am

i'll stick with the mian's, think it was them, prediction for december 23, 2012.

JK-47 · Post by **JK-47** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:51 am

Our world ends when our sun starts to die. Before the sun dies it expands, so maybe it will expand far enough to swallow earth.
If not the sun, it'l be us (human race) who destroys the earth, I swear I think sometimes people want the earth to end.

dos mes · Post by **dos mes** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:04 am

turk644 wrote:i'll stick with the mian's, think it was them, prediction for december 23, 2012.

No, but the Mayan's made that prediction too

I don't really care when the world ends or when I die, because when you die, it's not like anything will matter to you at all cause you'll already be dead