Linux

HPDarkness · Post by **HPDarkness** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:23 pm

I love the freedom of Linux, how it can almost be installed on anything.
But for an OS on a computer, it's just fancy effects. Those fancy effects usually piss me off and annoy me too. Windows bouncing, and flopping around my screen is not appealing to me.

I like Vista, I haven't had any problems yet, except a user error, where I overclocked my GPU and it crashed. I don't consider Vista a failure, just so many Mac band wagoners saying "LOL VIsTA iSS DA STOOPID U GUYZ GET BLOOSCREEN!"

(I don't hate either Mac or Linux, I just find Linux annoying and Macs way too overrated.)

FleetAdmiralBacon · Post by **FleetAdmiralBacon** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:32 pm

[cc]z@nd! wrote:@ igeo: first off, the beryl/compiz/compiz-fusion stuff isn't part of the core install, so although it may attract people to the OS, it's not the main event. here's a few reasons i personally like linux:

This is the most important thing I've been trying to say. Quite a few people in this thread have shown their discontent towards the graphical effects. They're not part of the OS. The GUI isn't even part of the OS, unlike with Windows which is slaved to a graphical display (you can't even remove it from a server!?). If you don't want them, you can't choose to not use them. And they're all very configurable. It's just that most videos out there show everything at once for effect.

-the ; operator in the command line makes things more efficient, since i can execute multiple commands almost at once. the closest windows has to this is &&, which is really just a sidestep around the issue since failure of the first command can effect whether the second runs.

That's actually its own piece of syntax. I use && far more than ; (as a programmer), because most of the time I need to make sure the first thing worked before doing the second. The real reason why Linux has these things is because it uses Bash, Ash, Sh, whatever you prefer, which is a scripting language. The terminal is the most powerful thing there is, and it really helps when telling people how to do things that aren't technically minded ("Just copy this into your terminal and viola!" is much easier than "Click here, type this, click there, wait for this dialog", etc.). Plus, lots of tasks are quicker when you just type a line and press enter (I make thumbnails with a toolset called "ImageMagick" (which is proprietary, unfortunately, but there are open-source equivalents, I'm just not that hardcore) and it's just a simple command and I've done amazing things with an entire folder)

/me is recompiling his X server for 'redirected direct rendering' support so he can properly use OpenGL applications, finally. One man made this happen and his name is Kristian H

Veegie · Post by **Veegie** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:35 pm

JK-47 wrote:XP works fine for me, and all the programs I need run fine on it too.

So goodbye to that.

SuperCommando · Post by **SuperCommando** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:38 pm

Linux never recognizes my wireless card

WaeV · Post by **WaeV** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:30 pm

Yeah wireless is a problem. None of the wireless companies make linux drivers that I know of.

iGeo wrote:It annoys me when people suggest Linux is better, don't provide hard evidence, and you can tell that they clearly like it just for the unnecessary special effects.

iGeo wrote:I've never understood the "hate Vista" bandwagon, it annoys me when people here say stuff like it, but I bite my tongue and ignore it, because I know I'm a part of a minority that likes it.

I got the vista beta when it came out and I admit, I was impressed by some features, most notably the voice recognition software.

I had fooled around with Vista and decided to give linux a shot. Linux didn't hit it off with me at first either, actually, and it wasn't until I got Ubuntu that I was interested. Since then I have reverted back to Windows, then to Ubuntu again.

Why? FAB had a good list.

One of my top reasons is that it's fun to play with. You guys are all halo modders, so I know you can understand what I mean.

Xp is a good OS. It has never crashed, and got one virus due to me being stupid. The flashy effects are only the tip of the whole experience, just like installing someone else's amazing halo mod. Sure it's great, but the best part is you can keep on modding and make it even better!

But linux doesn't have to be tweaked to work great. You can mod, alter, or append all you want or just leave it as is. New features come out in months, not years, and it does nearly everything I want.

I actually find it rather ironic; WINE can run windows applications back to version 2.0. can XP?

FleetAdmiralBacon · Post by **FleetAdmiralBacon** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:13 pm

SuperCommando wrote:Linux never recognizes my wireless card

Chipset? Probably a Broadcom... Also, distro?

ScottyGEE · Post by **ScottyGEE** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:10 pm

WaeV wrote:One of my top reasons is that it's fun to play with. You guys are all halo modders, so I know you can understand what I mean.

Halo modders who like to mod halo...With .net applications...Which doesn't work unless I'm mistaken

And yes, I know that isn't what you meant

jackson117 · Post by **jackson117** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:25 pm

like it or not vista is the future of OS.

unless you hate it

MarsMartianMan · Post by **MarsMartianMan** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:14 pm

jackson117 wrote:like it or not vista is the future of OS.

I lol'd.

[cc]z@nd! · Post by **[cc]z@nd!** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:03 am

ScottyGEE wrote:Halo modders who like to mod halo...With .net applications...Which doesn't work unless I'm mistaken

And yes, I know that isn't what you meant

unless i'm mistaken and don't know much about .NET (which would make sense because i've never used it really) wouldn't it work if you just took the source code and recompiled it on a different platform (with minor tweaks, of course)? but then again, i think VB and C# are pretty much microsoft languages, and the language might be entirely different between .NET and if it has a normal form.

DrXThirst · Post by **DrXThirst** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:08 am

Well, something I found out here recently is that Windows Media Center Edition isn't the same thing as Windows XP. I mean, I know it comes with Media Center and has the glossy theme, but other than that, I didn't know it was an entire OS.

Most XP programs and products won't work on it.

Geo · Post by **Geo** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:14 am

WaeV wrote:I actually find it rather ironic; WINE can run windows applications back to version 2.0. can XP?

Yes, but why would I want to do that?

Comparing it to Modding really isn't going to sell it for me... 'cos if it's like Halo Modding, that means it gets boring after a while.

neodos · Post by **neodos** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:29 am

The is the consumer society (Microsoft Users) and the considered as marginals (Linux Users) mbmb?

Also supperCommando, i installed a wireless card and made it work on Ubuntu, i used the app "ndiswrapper" to load the xp drivers for the wireless card on linux.

FleetAdmiralBacon · Post by **FleetAdmiralBacon** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:10 pm

[cc]z@nd! wrote:
ScottyGEE wrote:Halo modders who like to mod halo...With .net applications...Which doesn't work unless I'm mistaken

And yes, I know that isn't what you meant
unless i'm mistaken and don't know much about .NET (which would make sense because i've never used it really) wouldn't it work if you just took the source code and recompiled it on a different platform (with minor tweaks, of course)? but then again, i think VB and C# are pretty much microsoft languages, and the language might be entirely different between .NET and if it has a normal form.

We have our own implementation of .NET called Mono, it will compile C#, VB.net, etc. directly (granted, you have to redesign forms with GTK, but that's because the MFC isn't an open standard and we can't do a good job implementing it natively, surprisingly, .NET is, though MS does use some completely proprietary things in the .NET Framework (which is kinda like "their implementation")

I'm still waiting on a list of applications you all think you need (and seem to think won't run in Wine or don't have perfect open-source equivalents)

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:17 pm

3DS Max 9+?

FleetAdmiralBacon · Post by **FleetAdmiralBacon** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:22 pm

Tural wrote:3DS Max 9+?

Maya has a Linux release - still waiting on them to get a Linux PLE out, that would make me very happy. I will agree that blender sucks, but only as far as its interface goes (I've seen some amazing things done with it, but any time spent using 3ds Max will destroy your ability to learn Blender's exotic interface)
If Autodesk ever follows suit with 3ds Max, that would be really great.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:27 pm

So it does not have any ability to use 3DS Max 9 or higher.
I see.

FleetAdmiralBacon · Post by **FleetAdmiralBacon** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:41 pm

Tural wrote:So it does not have any ability to use 3DS Max 9 or higher.
I see.

Wine's not that good yet. And I've always heard Maya was better...

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:43 pm

You posed a question asking for an application that does not run in Wine and does not have a "perfect open-source equivalent." I gave you one.

If I wished to use Maya, I would ask about Maya.

FleetAdmiralBacon · Post by **FleetAdmiralBacon** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:46 pm

Tural wrote:You posed a question asking for an application that does not run in Wine and does not have a "perfect open-source equivalent." I gave you one.

If I wished to use Maya, I would ask about Maya.

I asked for a list

And there are alternatives to 3ds Max (plus, it's entirely possible that Autodesk will get with the program and do what they did with Maya, I'd sure as hell dish out the money for a new license if they ported 3ds Max). Back to business, any other applications people can't live without?