Interesting thought.

a mammoth · Post by **a mammoth** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:33 pm

The idea that we were created has been around much longer than evolution, the part of the bible there was written in the B.C.'s. I also see that you have a closed mind, the idea that we are the most high beings of all and that there is no higher thing that rules us is very appealing. Anyways I am losing nothing by believing in something, rather than having the even the slightest possibility of losing something by believing in nothing. So even if there is no such thing as a God, I'm good.

The_Hushed_Casket · Post by **The_Hushed_Casket** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:06 pm

a mammoth wrote:The idea that we were created has been around much longer than evolution, the part of the bible there was written in the B.C.'s. I also see that you have a closed mind, the idea that we are the most high beings of all and that there is no higher thing that rules us is very appealing. Anyways I am losing nothing by believing in something, rather than having the even the slightest possibility of losing something by believing in nothing. So even if there is no such thing as a God, I'm good.

But your creation fable has accumulated no physical evidence to support it, what does that tell you? Evolution meanwhile has proven evidence from virtually every scientific field there is.

And you are clearly not educated on the ideas of evolution. You seem to think that I think that humans are higher-beings, when the truth is in fact just the opposite. Creationism is the idea that god created man in his image. Evolution challenged this belief by asserting that humans evolved from lower animals just like every other animal in the world, and that we are not special in any way. It was for that reason that the Origin of Species struck a nerve with the religious and it still is.
Get educated before you try to stick the problems with your beliefs on mine.

noxiousraccoon · Post by **noxiousraccoon** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:32 pm

Intelligent Design is where its at. Honestly yall, lets agree that despite how we got here, it was much too long ago to know the real truth. The Bible is nothing more than a set of values set in place to assure "peace". Evolution is nothing more than scientific facts that prove that nature has evolved over time. No matter how it started, who started it, or who is going to finish it, just live life. Dont let these issues bother yall.

Though, if you want to waste your life away trying to find these answers, by all means go ahead.

rossmum · Post by **rossmum** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:16 pm

a mammoth wrote:The idea that we were created has been around much longer than evolution, the part of the bible there was written in the B.C.'s. I also see that you have a closed mind, the idea that we are the most high beings of all and that there is no higher thing that rules us is very appealing. Anyways I am losing nothing by believing in something, rather than having the even the slightest possibility of losing something by believing in nothing. So even if there is no such thing as a God, I'm good.

You're not one to speak about closed minds, to be honest. And about the skin on that fossil? It's called preservation. Just because a fossil has skin doesn't mean it's only a few thousand years old, it was just preserved well. Case in point: Egyptian mummies are in a better condition than your average 20-year-old corpse, does that make them only 5 years old?

Also in response to what you asked before. We need sleep because we are considerably more complex than a single-celled organism.

I agree with THC. I mix science and religion freely, one fills in the gaps in the other a lot of the time. Works for me.

turk645 · Post by **turk645** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:41 am

noxiousraccoon wrote:Intelligent Design is where its at. Honestly yall, lets agree that despite how we got here, it was much too long ago to know the real truth. The Bible is nothing more than a set of values set in place to assure "peace". Evolution is nothing more than scientific facts that prove that nature has evolved over time. No matter how it started, who started it, or who is going to finish it, just live life. Dont let these issues bother yall.

Though, if you want to waste your life away trying to find these answers, by all means go ahead.

i agree, the fact of the matter is that what ever happened we are here and what you say cant change what actually happened, and stop stressing your mind about the past.

a mammoth · Post by **a mammoth** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:36 am

Well let me say this, it is impossible to prove that God doesn't exist. To do such a feat would require you to search the entire universe at once and all the other dimensions that are theorized to exist. Once you can do that you have proved that you are God, there fore you cannot prove that God doesn't exist.

rossmum · Post by **rossmum** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:45 am

You also can't prove God does exist. Hence why arguments over this sort of thing take place.

MaestroMan · Post by **MaestroMan** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:47 am

a mammoth wrote:Well let me say this, it is impossible to prove that God doesn't exist. To do such a feat would require you to search the entire universe at once and all the other dimensions that are theorized to exist. Once you can do that you have proved that you are God, there fore you cannot prove that God doesn't exist.

yeah..like in futurama

The_Hushed_Casket · Post by **The_Hushed_Casket** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:42 pm

a mammoth wrote:Well let me say this, it is impossible to prove that God doesn't exist. To do such a feat would require you to search the entire universe at once and all the other dimensions that are theorized to exist. Once you can do that you have proved that you are God, there fore you cannot prove that God doesn't exist.

I really hope that you don't take that as an adequate explanation of why your religion must be true. You also cannot prove that the universe wasn't created by a gigantic spaghetti monster, but that doesn't mean that it's true.
Really the only guideline for a theory to be considered scientific is that there must be a way to prove it wrong, and as you have just stated, your religion does not satisfy that condition. That is why it does not belong in the classroom.

JK-47 · Post by **JK-47** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:52 pm

The_Hushed_Casket wrote: I really hope that you don't take that as an adequate explanation of why your religion must be true. You also cannot prove that the universe wasn't created by a gigantic spaghetti monster, but that doesn't mean that it's true.

LMFAO! You've heard of FSM

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:52 pm

I have to agree with Hushed Casket on this one. Religion has too many holes on the topic of evolution. And for Christianity and the Bible Piping off themes of Peace, when over history, more people have been killed in the Name of God and christianity than any other cause of death. Religion is a Crutch for those who need someone to believe in, a savior. People need someone to blame. thats why we have religion.

People need something to believe in. If its a religion, so be it.

But on Evolution, I'm with science.

Explosive American · Post by **Explosive American** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:06 pm

Now, I don't like to argue, and I don't like to push my opinion down other people's throats, nor do I like them to push theirs down mine. So, I'll just leave you with my opinion. Like I said, I'm not trying to tell anyone that their beliefs are wrong, or that mine are right. I am simply stating my opinion. But enough with the disclaimer. I'm with Science on this one.

gh0570fchurch · Post by **gh0570fchurch** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:11 pm

Evolution is a confusing subject, and I try not to worry about it.

a mammoth · Post by **a mammoth** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:21 pm

You speak science like its a religion. There is no point in trying to steer me from my (in your eyes) 'foolish' ways, to make me believe that evolution is the only means of our existence. Why? Because you believe, I will die like everyone else, have the same fate of terminated existence, never to see anything again after death. But then why should I convince you that my "religion" is true? Because hell plainly sucks.

But lets look at it another way, if there was a plane that was going who cares where and it had a 10% chance of crashing, would you get on it? No you would not. But if theres just a 10% chance that you will die and suffer in hell, why not be a Christian to have eternal life?
EDIT:Due to brain fart

Phosphorous · Post by **Phosphorous** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:23 pm

a mammoth wrote:But lets look at it another way, if there was a plane that was going who cares where and it had a 10% chance of crashing, would you get on it? No you would not. But if theres just a 10% chance that God does exist, why not jump on that bandwagon?

Where did you come up with that statistic...

That paragraph makes no sense.

a mammoth · Post by **a mammoth** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:28 pm

Good point edited.

metkillerjoe · Post by **metkillerjoe** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:43 pm

a mammoth wrote:Where did the thing that exploded come from (see my logic here?)?

Maybe a little theory will clear that up (religion is faith so bear with me here).

Big Bang -> Universe Life Span -> Big Crunch -> Big Bang

You speak science like its a religion. There is no point in trying to steer me from my (in your eyes) 'foolish' ways, to make me believe that evolution is the only means of our existence. Why? Because you believe, I will die like everyone else, have the same fate of terminated existence, never to see anything again after death. But then why should I convince you that my "religion" is true? Because hell plainly sucks.

Evolution is not a religion it is a theory not fact.

In Evolution, there is no bias on religion or termination as you call it (nothingness). So, why would you even touch on termination? Is it because some people that agree with Evolution also believe in terminal existence? There are plenty of scientists that believe and have faith that also believe in the theory of Evolution.

There is no point in trying to steer me from my (in your eyes) 'foolish' ways, to make me believe that evolution is the only means of our existence.

I don't think anybody should think that religion is foolish. I don't; it helps a lot of people understand where they are, who they are, and (sometimes) what to and not to do.

I am a practicing Catholic, do you see me defending religion? No, because religion and science are completely different.

I also like to add this. Science found out that the Earth is not the center of the Universe. About 400 years later the Church admitted that this is a truth.

I'm sure that this is just a typo but..

But if theres just a 10% chance that you will die and suffer in hell, why not be a Christian?

a mammoth · Post by **a mammoth** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:00 pm

Dang it I can't get that right on paper, well I'll try the edit button again.

The_Hushed_Casket · Post by **The_Hushed_Casket** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:15 pm

a mammoth wrote:You speak science like its a religion. There is no point in trying to steer me from my (in your eyes) 'foolish' ways, to make me believe that evolution is the only means of our existence. Why? Because you believe, I will die like everyone else, have the same fate of terminated existence, never to see anything again after death. But then why should I convince you that my "religion" is true? Because hell plainly sucks.

You are putting words into my mouth. You say that I am trying to make you believe that "evolution is the only means of our existence." I clearly stated that the idea of a divine creator is a perfectly fine explanation for how the universe created, however it does not explain the development of modern life on Earth with the specificity and evidence of evolution.

a mammoth wrote:But lets look at it another way, if there was a plane that was going who cares where and it had a 10% chance of crashing, would you get on it? No you would not. But if theres just a 10% chance that you will die and suffer in hell, why not be a Christian to have eternal life?
EDIT:Due to brain fart

So I should live my entire life (remember, I believe that I only live once) in constant fear of retribution by your vengefull fire-and-brimstone god because of the 'chance' that I might go to hell?
And for that matter, why Christian? Why not any of the multiple other religions that promise me an equally grim afterlife if I don't follow their doctrine?

JimmyBeGood · Post by **JimmyBeGood** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:17 pm

what is so hard to comprehend about the mass of the entire universe a size infemacroly (not a real word BTW i just mean infinitly big but not quite infinity) all being compacted into the tiny volume of a point that is infidecimally small, and then it all going kaboom and expanding ever outwards.

that is the big bang simplified pretty far down, now for evolution

tiny microrganisims adapting to there enviorment and changing surroundings and growing into multi-cellular organisims and eventually people

and not to slam religon but the religon theory

god made earth the sun, humans, birds, trees etc.

please dont insult my grammar im just too lazy to hit the comma key and the period key