Linux

[WaeV]

You know, I've been thinking, Vista is pretty much ME2: M$'s second failure.

Except that Vista is actually selling decently...

I tried Yellow Dog Linux once on my Mac, meh. Wasn't a big fan.

You kinda have to look around. I tried Debian and Fedora and liked neither. I liked Debian better, so i tried Ubuntu (which is based on Debian).


@ FAB - It might have been my specific series of cards that was the problem. It was a Radeon 9800 Pro

@ uralllame - It's really your choice, do some wikipedia searches to compare; they have nice descriptions. I like Ubuntu because I can tweak it as much as I want with the terminal or can just use the default options which are great to begin with. Also, it's a popular distro which means speedy responses to questions I might have.

@ CompKronos - Well for starters My PC is brand new (nVidia 8600 GTS). The opensource drivers worked, but didn't go to the resolution I liked initially, which is what I think your problem is. Make sure the proprietary drivers are installed (retail ones), then use this command in the terminal and just answer the questions. When you get to screen resolution, pick the ones you want to be enabled.

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sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

[sneakyn8]

as soon as there is a linux supported driver for my gfx card then it will be my default with compiz-fuzion

[FleetAdmiralBacon]

as soon as there is a linux supported driver for my gfx card then it will be my default with compiz-fuzion

What card?

Also, I just finished my new C-F theme (I'm starting a "Compiz-Fusion Live CD" project that will feature tons of compositing-enabled apps and the newest development version of Compiz-Fusion, all wrapped up in a nice little mini-distro and complete with all the graphics drivers)


My new vid is up.

[WaeV]

I've been looking for something like that! What are you going to call it?

The closest I found to something like that is Sabayon Linux, but I think they're still using Beryl.

Is that cairo-dock in those screenies?

[FleetAdmiralBacon]

I've been looking for something like that! What are you going to call it?

The closest I found to something like that is Sabayon Linux, but I think they're still using Beryl.

Is that cairo-dock in those screenies?

Sabayon uses Compiz, but this will be an official release with the sole purpose of showing off Compiz. The name is still being debated, current working name is simply "Compiz Live". And, yes, that's cairo-dock.

[sneakyn8]

as soon as there is a linux supported driver for my gfx card then it will be my default with compiz-fuzion

What card?

Also, I just finished my new C-F theme (I'm starting a "Compiz-Fusion Live CD" project that will feature tons of compositing-enabled apps and the newest development version of Compiz-Fusion, all wrapped up in a nice little mini-distro and complete with all the graphics drivers)


My new vid is up.

nvidia geforce 9500m

[ScottyGEE]

It doesn't have the apps I use and can't run them either. Its fast and fun for a short while, then you realise a few weeks later while on windows that you still have ubuntu on there (at least I did)...and proceed to get rid of it.

[FleetAdmiralBacon]

It doesn't have the apps I use and can't run them either. Its fast and fun for a short while, then you realise a few weeks later while on windows that you still have ubuntu on there (at least I did)...and proceed to get rid of it.

And what apps would those be? List them.

[Geo]

It annoys me when people suggest Linux is better, don't provide hard evidence, and you can tell that they clearly like it just for the unnecessary special effects.

[GametagAeonFlux]

It annoys me when people suggest Linux is better, don't provide hard evidence, and you can tell that they clearly like it just for the unnecessary special effects.

Same, but for the reason that 99% of the people are smug fucks who just jump on the bandwagon of using Linux just to say they're using it instead of smell M$'s Windoze or whatever shitty trend the smug losers are in to this week, and therefore they (or the OS itself) are better than you and/or all people who use Windoze.

[neodos]

You wouldn't get linux because you like too much XP, or are depending of some apps that can only run on XP and don't really know what's linux.

Tell me how many times do you reinstall(or restor an image of the OS) windows xp in one year?

[Geo]

I run Vista. Never had any problems with it, admittedly there were some compatibility issues when it first came out, but it runs flawlessly for me now. Not slow/sluggish or anything.

I've never understood the "hate Vista" bandwagon, it annoys me when people here say stuff like it, but I bite my tongue and ignore it, because I know I'm a part of a minority that likes it.

With regards to Linux, apart from 3D cubes, wobbly windows and other unnecessary effects, give me several good reasons why it's better than Windows XP or Vista.

And neodos, the only times I ever had to restore XP or format whilst using it, was due to me thinking I knew more than I actually did and messing with stuff I shouldn't have messed with.

[GametagAeonFlux]

Tell me how many times do you reinstall(or restor an image of the OS) windows xp in one year?

Never have once in four years of having this PC.

[Kirk]

Really, I've had no problems with XP at all during the period of time I've used it... No viruses or any of that stuff, and I really don't try too hard to protect it. It was working extremely well, to be honest. Only reason I didn't like Vista was because I had some lower framerates in the games I played, and some other misc bad performance in said games. Other than that, I sort of liked Vista.

Sorry for going off topic real quick, but iGeo, You said it was slow at first but now it's great, do you know if my complaints mentioned above would be resolved now?

[G.I.R.]

I'm not on any bandwagon, and I agree that Linux has a lot of unnecessary graphical effects, but even though they're gimmick-y, I still think they're pretty cool. :\

Also:

• XP: I've used XP since it came out, and it's a great operating system
• Vista: It's perfect, there's nothing I can really say I hate about it
• Ubuntu: Though I had XP installed on this desktop, I prefer Ubuntu on here for some reason. It's also a great OS, and the addition of tools like Wine , Virtualbox, and DOSbox are just plain awesome, IMO.

[FleetAdmiralBacon]

I use it more for ethical reasons, but if you want to get into the actual functional ways that Linux is better:
1. Far more customizable.
2. Faster. It is, and I can prove it.
3. Better legacy hardware support - you can run a modern distro on ancient hardware. Vista, hell even XP, sure has heck can't do that.
4. Free. As in really free. Not "I got it from a friend" free. And yes, you can get it preinstalled and save the money that goes towards Vista.
5. More secure. This isn't the major reason as to why there are no viruses or malware for Linux, but it is an important thing to remember.

Of course, I'm a programmer, so using Linux is great because I have full access to everything. And I can still write in VB and C# if I want (though I normally choose not to because we have Python and ObjC). I'm also a hard-left communist liberal, I'm sure that plays a part...

The "unnecessary graphical effects" aren't all unnecessary. An effect called "Scale windows" (which puts all the active windows into a sort of grid layout on the screen temporarily) is the greatest piece of functional software I've ever used. Others help people transition to the much more user-friendly core functions of a Unix-like OS (You have no idea how hard it is for some people to understand the concept of workspaces and how much easier it is when they see a 3d cube or a scrolling 'wall' of workspaces).
And on that topic, the effects weren't even mainstream until the middle of last year. Before that they didn't come preinstalled, and they weren't what brought people to Ubuntu (which didn't come with Compiz until 10/'07, Beryl was there before that, but it was not preinstalled and was a pain in the ass to set up).

If your biggest problem with Linux involves Adobe software, then sit and wait a bit, because Adobe just started to get really serious about Linux support, and chances are you'll see things like Dreamweaver and Flash (the development stuff) ported. Photoshop (up to CS2) already works perfectly in Wine, and I'm sure CS3 will be working soon enough (half of Wine is looking out how Windows works, saying "wtf? why does it do that?" and then forcing yourself to mimic bad behaviour)

[sneakyn8]

when i try to install i get
this with no install button please help me

[neodos]

You need to boot your computer with the CD, make sure you have an empty hard disk drive or partition to install ubuntu, linux doesn't use the same format for partitions (one etc3 and another part swap), if you are not sure of what your are doing, read the ubuntu FAQ, you wouldn't like to install ubuntu OS over a partition that you are aleady using that contains Windows or files...

Also, i can't find an article anymore that was a research well more like a test, 3 identical machines each one with a different os (Windows XP, Mac, Linux (debian)) without firewall connected to the internet for 24 hours, Linux gets around 1500 attacks, Mac 3000, WinXP 15000... anyway that's not gonna change the choice of those who remain on XP or Vista, well XP is ok i use it because i need some apps but i am going to move to Ubuntu now i guess, Vista use so much resources for nothing >_> it's just a gadget OS with bunch of security messages...

I also had a lot of problems detecting hardware with windows + everytime i install an app or device you normaly need to reboot, not on linux, meh there's so many reasons but as the majority is now confortable with what they've used all their life (Windows) they just don't need or want to change of OS or are depending of it's apps but after all it's their choice.

I think linux is going to become the future OS because it's free,stable,upgradable,can install more apps then you need and you would imagine, easy to use now, can have a nice and customizable environement.

[sneakyn8]

You need to boot your computer with the CD, make sure you have an empty hard disk drive or partition to install ubuntu, linux doesn't use the same format for partitions (one etc3 and another part swap), if you are not sure of what your are doing, read the ubuntu FAQ, you wouldn't like to install ubuntu OS over a partition that you are aleady using that contains Windows or files...

i was going along with this guide if there are any errors then please correct them fast ive already partioned my HDD according to it

[[cc]z@nd!]

@ igeo: first off, the beryl/compiz/compiz-fusion stuff isn't part of the core install, so although it may attract people to the OS, it's not the main event. here's a few reasons i personally like linux:

-good separation of power. ubuntu does things a bit different, but since the account you create isn't the overlord of the system, you can't fuck things up as easily as in windows, where the first account you make is admin.

-the ; operator in the command line makes things more efficient, since i can execute multiple commands almost at once. the closest windows has to this is &&, which is really just a sidestep around the issue since failure of the first command can effect whether the second runs.

- if i recall correctly, my gutsy gibbon server install had no open ports out of the box, so the only holes it would have that a remote system could exploit would be ones I added.

-like bacon said, it's free, and (mostly) all the apps are free, as well as drivers, etc. and because it's open source, i could go under the hood and mess with it if i were so inclined. just through KDE menus I can change almost every aspect of the windows without even touching the code, which would bring even more possibilities to make it work differently.

i'd go on but there's no reason to. the only areas i'd say linux is lacking in would be support for hardware where the company doesn't open-source their drivers, or supply linux drivers, and games.