death

Leiukemia · Post by **Leiukemia** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:47 pm

I think we've already established that... The discussion is really about whether he deserves to be charged or not.

Geo · Post by **Geo** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:23 am

He deserves to be found guilty and charged, but not sentenced. The burden of living knowing you caused your brothers death is punishment enough, going to prison won't help anyone.

Sorry about your loss.

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:04 am

If you accidently dropped your baby off a building what do you think they would do? Decide that living without the baby was punishment enough?

SHOUTrvb · Post by **SHOUTrvb** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:29 am

Ombre wrote:I'm sorry, but unless he was forced to drive, it really is his fault.

Elitist bandwagon jumper. Who's at fault is not the concern of the topic. Even though it was probably his fault, getting charged with vehicular manslaughter is way too harsh. Think about it for a second. A guy who most likely cared for his brother very much goes to pick up his brother, then gets in an accident killing his brother instantly because he shouldn't have been driving. Living with that mistake is more than good enough punishment; legal action should never have been taken. I'm sorry for your loss.

scynide · Post by **scynide** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:51 am

Ombre wrote:If you accidently dropped your baby off a building what do you think they would do? Decide that living without the baby was punishment enough?

That is a little different. That "baby" had two parents, and only one of them dropped it off the building. That means that one parent has to live with the guilt, and the other may hate the one that accidentally killed their child, forever. Punishing him/her in our "baby" case doesn't seem like it is going to teach him/her a lesson, or help society. Same goes for our real case about the punishment.

But in the real case both of the boys had the same mother and father, and both parents feel the same grief. Neither of them have to live with the guilt of their son's death. Charles on the other hand as more pain and guilt than some of us could ever imagine. Putting him in prison punishes him physically plus the punishment that he already has emotionally, and would do him more damage than good. It would also be like a punishment to his parents. Think about! It would be better to have lost both of their sons in that accident then to have one going to prison for most of or the rest of his life. Trust me, I have seem this stuff happen. Almost the same thing happened with one of my cousins, only minus the pain pills. I am truly sorry for your loss.

Their parents have already lost one child. Why should they have to lose both? Charles is still alive, but in some ways prison is a faith worse than death. IMO.

To people thinking about replying to this: Think before you post something stupid please. No flaming.

Edit:

SHOUTrvb wrote:
Ombre wrote:I'm sorry, but unless he was forced to drive, it really is his fault.
Elitist bandwagon jumper. Who's at fault is not the concern of the topic. Even though it was probably his fault, getting charged with vehicular manslaughter is way too harsh. Think about it for a second. A guy who most likely cared for his brother very much goes to pick up his brother, then gets in an accident killing his brother instantly because he shouldn't have been driving. Living with that mistake is more than good enough punishment; legal action should never have been taken. I'm sorry for your loss.

Exactly!

Geo · Post by **Geo** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:55 am

Ombre wrote:If you accidently dropped your baby off a building what do you think they would do? Decide that living without the baby was punishment enough?

Any parent dropping a baby off a building obviously doesn't care for its well being... it's not an easy mistake to make.

Your logic is flawed, as is your spelling.

Sgt.Peppers · Post by **Sgt.Peppers** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:05 am

Guys, really... Put yourself in his position for a second. I just did (put myself in his position for a sec) with my brother. You are prescribed a medicine, and you take it. You don't even BOTHER to think twice about your driving abilities (I know I wouldn't have thought about it if I hadn't had any trouble with it before). So you go to pick your little brother up like you normally do, and the worst happens, and just like that, your little brother, who you cared about so much is now gone. You don't wanna believe it, but it's true, he's gone an he'll never be back ( I really want you guys to imagine this as yourself). Now as you're just in complete SHOCK about the loss of one of your closest family members, you have to deal with the possibility of being charged with vehicular manslaughter on top of your own little bro's loss.

That is just downright horrible.

Geo · Post by **Geo** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:08 am

It all depends on the situation, the more I think of it.

I mean, if he was strictly told that he should not drive at all, then it changes things dramatically. Also, it can't be proved that it was the fact he was taking prescription medicine that caused him to crash, it could have been something completely different. People crash daily, and they're not all necessarily on drugs... though obviously some are.

Sgt.Peppers · Post by **Sgt.Peppers** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:11 am

iGeo wrote:It all depends on the situation, the more I think of it.

I mean, if he was strictly told that he should not drive at all, then it changes things dramatically. Also, it can't be proved that it was the fact he was taking prescription medicine that caused him to crash, it could have been something completely different. People crash daily, and they're not all necessarily on drugs... though obviously some are.

Yes, you have a very good point Geo, I don't know the circumstances, but I'm just going by the story that was told here. And I'm assuming the doctor never said anything about not driving on the while on the medication.

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:17 am

SHOUTrvb wrote:
Ombre wrote:I'm sorry, but unless he was forced to drive, it really is his fault.
Elitist bandwagon jumper. Who's at fault is not the concern of the topic. Even though it was probably his fault, getting charged with vehicular manslaughter is way too harsh. Think about it for a second. A guy who most likely cared for his brother very much goes to pick up his brother, then gets in an accident killing his brother instantly because he shouldn't have been driving. Living with that mistake is more than good enough punishment; legal action should never have been taken. I'm sorry for your loss.

Yea! I said that to be cool! Most the people in this thread don't think he should be punished, so how am I the one on the bandwagon? He should get the same punishment drunk drivers get when they drive and kill someone. iGeo, it was like 1AM for me, and my spelling isn't perfect, get over it. If he didn't know your not supposed to drive while on drugs, how did he get his license in the first place?

noxiousraccoon · Post by **noxiousraccoon** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:50 am

Vehicular manslaughter is a kind of misdemeanor manslaughter, which holds persons liable for any death that occurs because of criminal negligence or a violation of traffic safety laws.

SHOUTrvb · Post by **SHOUTrvb** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:50 am

I was directing the bandwagon statement to you basically saying the same thing everyone said before you when you posted. Which is why I said:

Who's at fault is not the concern of the topic.

Hush up you.

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:32 pm

Well generally, when it is a person's fault they should be punished.

SHOUTrvb · Post by **SHOUTrvb** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:37 pm

Read my post, I mentioned punishment. He didn't 'try' to kill anyone, we can't even say for sure that it was the drug's fault either. Legal action shouldn't be taken.

warlord · Post by **warlord** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:02 pm

the loss and the guilt of that he was the one who caused that loss is far greater than any punishment can do.
his soul will be tormented for the rest of his life.

Leiukemia · Post by **Leiukemia** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:27 pm

Ombre wrote:
SHOUTrvb wrote:
Ombre wrote:I'm sorry, but unless he was forced to drive, it really is his fault.
Elitist bandwagon jumper. Who's at fault is not the concern of the topic. Even though it was probably his fault, getting charged with vehicular manslaughter is way too harsh. Think about it for a second. A guy who most likely cared for his brother very much goes to pick up his brother, then gets in an accident killing his brother instantly because he shouldn't have been driving. Living with that mistake is more than good enough punishment; legal action should never have been taken. I'm sorry for your loss.
Yea! I said that to be cool! Most the people in this thread don't think he should be punished, so how am I the one on the bandwagon? He should get the same punishment drunk drivers get when they drive and kill someone. iGeo, it was like 1AM for me, and my spelling isn't perfect, get over it. If he didn't know your not supposed to drive while on drugs, how did he get his license in the first place?

That's the thing though. He's already punished as it is with losing his brother. I could understand possibly if it was a hitchhiker he picked up, and happened to crash. But this is his own brother were talking about.

Also, humping on something stated earlier, there's still no absolute proof that it was caused by the drug. There is still the possibilty that something else happened. It's this government crap, it takes away peoples sense of morals. "Oh, it's ok that I'm heartless because there's a llaw in place". Some things about the law system make me sick to my stomach.

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:15 pm

If it was different there would be a lot more people who should be in prison who would be able to get out of it. Whether or not the drugs caused the crash doesn't matter to them, to them it is about the same as drunk driving.

SHOUTrvb · Post by **SHOUTrvb** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:20 pm

Still, there are no reports that he was even feeling the effects of the drug at the time he was driving.

gh0570fchurch · Post by **gh0570fchurch** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:50 pm

Exactly, the accident may have absolutely nothing with the prescription drug.

Dan!! · Post by **Dan!!** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:25 pm

gh0570fchurch wrote:Exactly, the accident may have absolutely nothing with the accident.

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1.how could they possibly charge him with this?

He killed someone. Sounds reasonable enough. Whether or not he should be sentenced to whatever is different though. Depends on the circumstances.

we got up to 110 and he did just fine

See now if he was going 110, on vicodin and knew he shouldn't drive, with his brother in the car, I'm not sure I would let him off the hook. I think the biggest factors are if he knew he shouldn't have been driving and how he was driving. Pretty much if he was doing anything he knew was wrong, he shouldn't be let go. Community service or something, I dunno.