The world as robots. And You.

Veegie · Post by **Veegie** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:26 pm

Tural wrote:If time travel is possible in the future, there's no way it would be public technology, ever. The public is not responsible enough to have that kind of power, the power to change everything at their will. Under no circumstances would it be anything short of top-secret government technology that people would speculate about forever, but never prove or disprove its existence.

Time Travel could easily be possibly assuming that String Theory turns out to be true, in which case you wouldn't have to worry about them modifying your current time line in the 5th dimension you're currently on. A person would travel back in time by folding through the 6th, and land on a previous one in the 5th, which in turn would affect all time lines after that as to where he traveled back in time, not the one where he didn't.

GametagAeonFlux · Post by **GametagAeonFlux** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:28 pm

For time travel to exist, there have to be infinitely many universes. Otherwise, the present time would be forever changing, we'd be seeing people from the future, etc etc.

Veegie · Post by **Veegie** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:32 pm

GametagAeonFlux wrote:For time travel to exist, there have to be infinitely many universes. Otherwise, the present time would be forever changing, we'd be seeing people from the future, etc etc.

More specifically, near-infinite number of possible universes from a source-event in a timeline, see: 5th dimension.

shadowkhas · Post by **shadowkhas** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:33 pm

Vegito619 wrote:More specifically, near-infinite number of possible universes from a source-event in a timeline, see: 5th dimension.

Vegito619 wrote: Time Travel could easily be possibly assuming that String Theory turns out to be true, in which case you wouldn't have to worry about them modifying your current time line in the 5th dimension you're currently on. A person would travel back in time by folding through the 6th, and land on a previous one in the 5th, which in turn would affect all time lines after that as to where he traveled back in time, not the one where he didn't.

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Tural wrote:
G.I.R. wrote:That whole 'everyone in the world is a robot except you' thing, is totally from a book. I just can't remember what from. Kurt Vonnegut I think. Breakfast of Champions maybe?
Or every unoriginal person ever.

Hmm. I honestly thought I was a weirdo, because everyone I talked to said it's: Outrageous! Preposterous! Fabulous!

Veegie · Post by **Veegie** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:37 pm

If you want to talk about Time Travel further, I suggest luring jks into this topic, preferably with Cheez-Itz.

-DeToX- · Post by **-DeToX-** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:07 pm

Vegito619 wrote:If you want to talk about Time Travel further, I suggest luring jks into this topic, preferably with Cheez-Itz.

haha.

Also legendary, I doubt thats how it is. Because then that means your just An AI robot giving me this method that I'm the only real one, meaning your a helper in my destiny for something.

Doubt it. If you understand anything I said.

[cc]z@nd! · Post by **[cc]z@nd!** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:43 pm

on the robot thing: matrix anyone?

it would be easier to thing of this as virtual, and not physical. for example, your entire world is just a fabrication of 1's and 0's. like a videogame, every single person you know is a seperate AI, with different rules and variables governing their behavior. the entire world you see before you, disregarding living things, is strictly governed by a set of rules that do not change, and pulls everything together to keep your world coherent.

you could be either concious or unconcious in reality, because this virtual world will exist in your mind, and you can't be aware of your actual outside senses because they send information to the brain, and the virtual world simply ignores it, substituting it with it's own data.

this wouldn't necessarrily be impossible, because everything you sense is reliant on your perspective; some people like sushi, others don't, and what you see is different than what someone across the street sees. from the beginning, the program would exist in your sub-concious, blocking all incoming actual data, and substituting it with data it generates, thus placing you in this false world from the beginning, and you wouldn't know it. the proof-of-concept is here in real life; when someone loses their mind, and react to things that do not exist, it's completely real to them because their mental disease is fabricating it and feeding it to the brain. Also, because they can't properly tell the difference between reality and imagination, they cannot know they are insane, they can only exist in their own reality.

and about that religion question, i've often wondered that myself. the bible doesn't mention any gods other than the one, so this would also imply there would be one heaven, right? so then, for people worshipping different gods, are they mistaken, and worshipping a non-existant deity? or am i mistaken?

it's not necissarily a question of what religion should everyone convert to, but am i right? if there is only one god, then what are other people worshipping? non-existant gods, or the same one as i am, but with a message that was interpreted differently, thus resulting in a different book? will i go to heaven/hell and see buddhists, muslims, and satanists there? wait, buddhists belive in reincarnation, don't they? so will they reincarnate while i spend an eternity somewhere else? what happens when the sun dies and melts the earth? will they spend an ertenity somewhere like me because they can't reincarnate on a molten blob of rock, or will they cease to exist?

well, that's enough questions for one post. congrats if you read through that.

sneakyn8 · Post by **sneakyn8** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:24 pm

kinda on topic has any body ever wondered if we all see different colors but know them as purple like in preschool what did they do to teach you colors gave you a card or a block and said this is green but what if my green is your red?

Veegie · Post by **Veegie** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:29 pm

sneakyn8 wrote:kinda on topic has any body ever wondered if we all see different colors but know them as purple like in preschool what did they do to teach you colors gave you a card or a block and said this is green but what if my green is your red?

RGB Offsets.

shadowkhas · Post by **shadowkhas** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:51 pm

sneakyn8 wrote:kinda on topic has any body ever wondered if we all see different colors but know them as purple like in preschool what did they do to teach you colors gave you a card or a block and said this is green but what if my green is your red?

No, because no teacher is that stupid. We still see the same wavelengths by the way, they'd just be called different. :/

-Legendary- · Post by **-Legendary-** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:04 am

I have had that thought, with the colors, like what if we see colors differentially? like some people might see colors darker than others. Theres no way to prove it though.. (Well actually, there might be away but I have thought of it..)

shadowkhas · Post by **shadowkhas** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:53 am

-Legendary- wrote:I have had that thought, with the colors, like what if we see colors differentially? like some people might see colors darker than others. Theres no way to prove it though.. (Well actually, there might be away but I have thought of it..)

Maybe because of things like color blindness and some other problems. But not enough to make black white and yellow blue, or something like that.

[cc]z@nd! · Post by **[cc]z@nd!** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:19 am

on the color thing; say some kid has severely messed up vision color-wise. normal red looks blue to him, and black looks white, and all the colors appear as opposites in his eyes. when we're in pre-k learning colors, we see the red flash card, and associate that color with red, but he may see blue, but he's already been taught that that is 'red'. if we saw colors through his eyes, we would know it isn't normal, but to him, everything's fine, and he'd be able to function normally in society (red lights wouldn't look red, but he'd associate the blue with red and know what to do anyways). it's just a matter of perspective, really.

this sorta ties in to how matter at the quark level doesn't always behave according to our laws of physics. for example, there is an experiment where electrons are shot through a plate with two slits in it onto a target plate that leaves marks where the electrons hit. first try, they create an interference pattern, as if they were behaving as waves instead of particles, meaning each perticle would have to have passed through both slits, which is physically impossible. so then, when the experiment is modified to be able to tell which slit an electron passed through, the interference pattern dissappears and is replaced by two slits on the backplate, just like if you were shining light through.

i don't want to get into too much detail, but the experiment showed that apparently, the past (which slit the electron passed through) could be affected byt the present (detecting a photon reflecting off the electron, giving a flash at the slit it passed through). really confusing.... but maybe because i just don't know much about quantum mechanics. (i'm sure someone on here does).

shadowkhas · Post by **shadowkhas** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:56 am

[cc]z@nd! wrote:i don't want to get into too much detail, but the experiment showed that apparently, the past (which slit the electron passed through) could be affected byt the present (detecting a photon reflecting off the electron, giving a flash at the slit it passed through). really confusing.... but maybe because i just don't know much about quantum mechanics. (i'm sure someone on here does).

Ah, I love that example. What'll blow your mind even more is that even if you shot ONE PHOTON AT A TIME, they would still show up as an intereference pattern, and theoretically go through every single point in the universe before colliding with the end point (the photo plate).
Everyone should read The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene.

Also, how about making this a philosophy thread? It's kinda branched out...

Dan!! · Post by **Dan!!** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:34 pm

[cc]z@nd! wrote:(detecting a photon reflecting off the electron, giving a flash at the slit it passed through)

This would alter the experiment. The detector itself would interfere with the electron when it detects it. The problem is that the electron seems to interfere with itself, once you try and detect which slit it goes through, it no longer interferes with itself. Perhaps if you detect the electron going through one slit, the other possibility (the electron going through other slit) ceases to be, while if you do not detect it, both possibilities exist.

JK-47 · Post by **JK-47** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:35 pm

On your first thought. No, can't say I have ever literally thought the world was full of robots. Metaphorically speaking, yes I have.

On your religion, I know your not going to take my advice to heart because I can't turn water into wine. But, my thougths are, if there is a great and merciful god out there, he wouldn't give a crap whether we believed in him or not. Seriously, would you send someone to eternal damnation just because they didn't think you existed? I think that is just a matter of control, and you can't tell me that the church doesn't do anything to keep thier rooms full of believers.

SHOUTrvb · Post by **SHOUTrvb** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:38 pm

Which is why I don't go to Church, despite my Christian beliefs.

noscottno · Post by **noscottno** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:42 pm

This thread makes my head hurt.

Self-distruct in t-minus 10 seconds....

shadowkhas · Post by **shadowkhas** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:09 pm

SHOUTrvb wrote:Which is why I don't go to Church, despite my Christian beliefs.

You'd fit into Europe nicely.

Dootuz · Post by **Dootuz** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:10 pm

yeah i think your right it would be werid but i belive that Jesus is the son of God.

Dootuz