ScottyGEE's Skinning Competition #3 discussion

DarkShallFall · Post by **DarkShallFall** » Thu May 10, 2007 8:49 am

DarkMetal wrote:Yea, I saw that two seconds after I posted and D'ohed.

I think there's an array of tools out there that deserve to be released, but people like to hide things from people for some reason... They say that "they won't know how to use it", or "they won't take advantage of it". Who cares? Release it anyways.

agreed a tool is a tool and if u had a tool that could do something better than others and you used it in a competition or something it would be unfair to others that don't have the avalibility to that tool. so there for the tool should be released i would make mods/skins a hell of a lot better. Plus a lot of people use different tools they just don't credit them all in the end witch they should. But on topic you should choose a theme for this one, like delta, western, city, dirty, rusty, snowy, watery, and dont limit the map just have a theme because every one has there imagination and if it could be expanded to more than just 1 map it would be a lot more interesting or you could limit it to 2 or 3 different maps.

xbox7887 · Post by **xbox7887** » Thu May 10, 2007 9:06 am

I don't mean to go offtopic (not that it isn't already) but the fact that such tool exists doesn't make it necessary for it to be released just so others can benefit from it. Most programs are created to simplify complex tedious tasks and thats all he did...used his skills to make things easier.

What you're basically saying is that if a more skilled individual enters this competition, he should help all of the other unskilled people out with their skins. Doesn't make much sense now does it

kornman00 · Post by **kornman00** » Thu May 10, 2007 9:08 am

Fucking Commies, go back to China!

xheadshotmastax · Post by **xheadshotmastax** » Thu May 10, 2007 10:12 am

i wish you all good luck on beating me.
and detox, if you release this app, my chance to win, raises up at least 50 %.
coz
A) i have a extreme huge amount of high resolution textures just sitting here to get used in halo3, but now halo2 ,too

B) i can make even better detailed bump maps will look better than the ones in my last skin
( just to remind you http://faisalmods.com/winterspring/winterspring-10.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/453/stuff4uw2.jpg - cliff squirter )

What map would you like the competition to use for skinning?
- sanctuary

Do you think that past skinning comps have been too short? Too long?
- too long , it made me sleep, even though i knew already i would win

haha

Do you think any of the rules should be changed? More strict? More lenient?
- same rules as before

What are your general thoughts on the competition?
- enjoy skinning, i like the competition setup

Do you think Faisal's winning streak is destined to end? (Wink)
- no

and ultimatley, are you going to enter?
- i gotta defend my title. thats a yes

DarkMetal · Post by **DarkMetal** » Thu May 10, 2007 10:32 am

xbox7887 wrote:What you're basically saying is that if a more skilled individual enters this competition, he should help all of the other unskilled people out with their skins. Doesn't make much sense now does it

Think of it like a race of toy cars. All of the cars have to come in at a certain weight, and to use something like a lead weight to make it go faster would be considered cheating. I'm not saying that having such a tool is considered cheating, but I do believe that if some of the cars have extra weight, then the others should as well.

-DeToX- · Post by **-DeToX-** » Thu May 10, 2007 11:14 am

haha, okay ill release it later, but please guys, lets not derail this thread any more than I already have. Sorry Scotty.

Here are my thoughts.

What map would you like the competition to use for skinning?
- Turf, for the same reason TCMC said, not many people skin it, and it gives people the motivation to do so, and it could make nice environments.

Do you think that past skinning comps have been too short? Too long? -Too long, I think It should be shortened a bit.

Do you think any of the rules should be changed? More strict? More lenient?
-The rules are good, keep em.

What are your general thoughts on the competition?
-It is a really nice to have a friendly competition where you get motivated to make something beautiful.

Do you think Faisal's winning streak is destined to end? -Hes goin downnn

Dootuz · Post by **Dootuz** » Thu May 10, 2007 11:21 am

yeah maybe fox is right just pick a theam and we pick the map but maybe we could do a lesser played map. bruial grounds was good but not again. umm maybe something elles. or a sp map that would be diffrent

idk can wait though and we can take down Faisal's streak

. that is a must!

JacksonCougAr · Post by **JacksonCougAr** » Thu May 10, 2007 11:34 am

Hummm, well a skin can only go so far.
I believe that we should be allowed to add things like "blocs", "Scenery", and "machs" as well. Perhaps even inject AI creatures into it.

What I mean is a skin is all fine-and-dandy but if you cannot change the feel of it then its just playing in the same level. I guess my biggest complaint about the last competition was the small choice in creative choice. I don;t want there to be a single level that we have to skin, nor should there be a theme I think. Instead i think you should let whoever wants to enter do whatever map. theme, and placement (so long as it doesn't radically change gameplay...) as they want.

Okay lemme sum that jumbled quasi-paragraph into something that actually makes sense

:

1) Any Map (ANY)
2) Any Theme
3) adding of obstacles so long as the are small and are used for aesthetic reasons only. For example: Covenant cruiser in sky. Flags, signs, dead bipeds. Stack of crates along side of a building, etc.
4) Only weapon skins -- no new effects, projectiles, etc.
5) Any Weather
6) Creature adding
7) etc...

I guess I want free reign but keep it as the layout of original map, and halo 2 gameplay.

Oh; and I can't resist ScottyGEE: I don't care if someone uses a tool that allows them to use huge Bitmaps because I know that its not all about the size; you need to have good theme coordination, placement, colors, etc...

I'm done now...

kornman00 · Post by **kornman00** » Thu May 10, 2007 1:49 pm

DarkMetal wrote: Think of it like a race of toy cars. All of the cars have to come in at a certain weight, and to use something like a lead weight to make it go faster would be considered cheating. I'm not saying that having such a tool is considered cheating, but I do believe that if some of the cars have extra weight, then the others should as well.

That allusion sucks.
1. In races rarely do you EVER see a car of the same type
2. With this, you also have thousands of different car parts that fine tune each car to be different but in the race's guide lines.
3. Its a fucking race for crying out loud, if you can't stand the fucking heat gtfo of the fricking kitchen.

If a race car driver has the resources to get that supa-grip-tire while joe smoe car 13523 uses Cooper tire knock offs, then its completely fine, maybe you should start at a lower tier and work your way up some more

Each person here is different, has learned how to do what they do differently and because of this, some of them are actually good at what they do. I hate this open source reasoning, its a load of crock shit.

theycallmechad · Post by **theycallmechad** » Thu May 10, 2007 2:02 pm

shade45 wrote:Yeah sorry chad made the texture. I dont even have it only that picture of it.

No, it's all good, Shade. I was just worried in case it were given away with the app or something. I'd not want that texture to be just another "run of the mill" texture. You don't have to credit me for a picture of a texture

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And for the reasons in red below, I have never wanted to enter a skinning contest more than this one.

xheadshotmastax wrote:i wish you all good luck on beating me.
and detox, if you release this app, my chance to win, raises up at least 50 %.coz
A) i have a extreme huge amount of high resolution textures just sitting here to get used in halo3, but now halo2 ,too
B) i can make even better detailed bump maps will look better than the ones in my last skin
( just to remind you http://faisalmods.com/winterspring/winterspring-10.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/453/stuff4uw2.jpg - cliff squirter )

What map would you like the competition to use for skinning?
- sanctuary

Do you think that past skinning comps have been too short? Too long?
- too long , it made me sleep, even though i knew already i would win haha

Do you think any of the rules should be changed? More strict? More lenient?
- same rules as before

What are your general thoughts on the competition?
- enjoy skinning, i like the competition setup

Do you think Faisal's winning streak is destined to end? (Wink)
- no
and ultimatley, are you going to enter?
- i gotta defend my title. thats a yes

Sadly, I honestly have no time for the contest. You're great, Faisal, but you're not unbeatable. It's good to be confident, though. Confidence shows in peoples' skins.

Forgive my spelling. I just got off work and I'm completely worn out.

JacksonCougAr · Post by **JacksonCougAr** » Thu May 10, 2007 2:05 pm

And I'm just about to go off to work. I don't know if I have what it takes to beat him but I know that if I get time off school, work, and still have an open internet connection that I will put out the best skin that I can.

Geo · Post by **Geo** » Thu May 10, 2007 3:06 pm

Confidence and Arrogance must have swapped meanings in our countries, Chad.

theycallmechad · Post by **theycallmechad** » Thu May 10, 2007 3:36 pm

I have a bit to say about the application: I think that it will only help people who are good skinners. It will not help those who can't make a texture well themselves. It doesn't matter how large or what resolution your texture is if you can't make a good one to begin with. If it's released, use it as you use your other tools. If it's not, and a select few have it instead, use the tools you're given the best you can. It is by no means unfair. I have methods, skills, knowledge, and tools I use with my skins that nobody else has. It is not unfair for me to use the resources I have to do the very best I can. Using only Photoshop and dothalo, anybody can make a mind-blowing skin, so long as they do it right.

In other words, tools and apps don't make a great skinner great. Great skinners are creative, resourceful, determined, and not easily discouraged.

-DeToX- · Post by **-DeToX-** » Thu May 10, 2007 3:40 pm

Yep^.

bibbit · Post by **bibbit** » Thu May 10, 2007 5:30 pm

Rules are great, length was great, Turf and Foundation are great.

Hey, where are my supernatural powers?

JacksonCougAr · Post by **JacksonCougAr** » Mon May 14, 2007 9:55 am

wouldn't this just increase the surface area of the bitmap and not the actual DPI so to say?

ScottyGEE · Post by **ScottyGEE** » Mon May 14, 2007 3:54 pm

A lot of you guys lost your chance at having supernatural powers...You all suck.
Anyway, Jackson, you must understand this is a skinning competition, what you are asking is quite wild and out there and I can't possibly begin to think how it would work as a fair competition like the others have been (to a degree). How can I compare a skin between two people when one is on one map, skinned to lets say, snow, and another person makes their own map out of machs, has flood ai roaming about with scenery everywhere whilst its raining. there is no fair comparison between these things.

The reason I restrict the competition down to a level or a theme is that its the closest thing to having a fair competition. It also shows how they can take their creativity to another level (not literally), by changing the original level to something completley different, my favourite example is colossus and the great church.

So to summarise the last two parragraphs...No.

I still gotta choose the level >_< I had picked one before, but the hi resolution textures would not be able to be appreciated on the level I don't think. So I'll play some more halo 2 to help me decide

JacksonCougAr · Post by **JacksonCougAr** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:20 pm

Yea... but ummm...yea.... Your right I know but the Hi-Res thing probably will be interesting if your letting it into the competition.

JacksonCougAr · Post by **JacksonCougAr** » Thu May 17, 2007 7:16 pm

I couldn't bear to see it sink to the bottom of a pile of useless discussions...

ScottyGEE · Post by **ScottyGEE** » Thu May 17, 2007 8:20 pm

haha

ok then. Now that I realise that I have the halo 3 beta, I will make the comp after it...