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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:39 pm
by Kyhkaen
The forerunners weren't humans, to all those saying they were...
The forerunners found early Homo Sapiens and since they were the either the most similar or farthest developed they inherited the 'mantle' and were given the ability to fire the Halo Array in the future.

[OnTopic] If the forerunners could travel faster than the speed of light (relatively) then why would they have problems finding materials for building.

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:06 pm
by bcnipod
Kyhkaen wrote: [OnTopic] If the forerunners could travel faster than the speed of light (relatively) then why would they have problems finding materials for building.
because they could not....

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:13 am
by Kyhkaen
bcnipod wrote:
Kyhkaen wrote: [OnTopic] If the forerunners could travel faster than the speed of light (relatively) then why would they have problems finding materials for building.
because they could not....
Nearly instant access to the ark through Slipspace is literally several trillion times faster than the speed of light through normal space.

What are you talking about?

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:18 am
by bcnipod
You cannot move faster than the speed of light. This is physics as we know it. So unless Bungie writers know of some new physics where you can travel faster than light, then the speed of light would not matter anymore. If that is true, why still use it to measure distance in the storyline at all?

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:24 am
by Geo
Are you all forgetting this is Science Fiction. Fiction being the key-word in that sentence.

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:27 am
by bcnipod
ur mum

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:29 am
by Tural
bcnipod wrote:You cannot move faster than the speed of light. This is physics as we know it. So unless Bungie writers know of some new physics where you can travel faster than light, then the speed of light would not matter anymore. If that is true, why still use it to measure distance in the storyline at all?
You're just arguing semantics now. They've never used another measurement in the story, so you have no basis for stating that they would not be using light speed. He is correct, you were not. Relatively, they would be able to move faster than the speed of light through the standard medium of space by using slipspace. They could get from point A to point B faster than light could. You're splitting hairs for the sake of continuing your argument. Drop it, he was correct to begin with. The sole method by which you could state he is not is one devised solely to be argumentative when it has no relevance to the message he was getting at.

Here, I'll rephrase it so you have nothing to argue about pointlessly. :roll:

Forerunners use slipspace.
Slipspace is faster for travel than moving through normal space.
They get materials fast.
They build Ark.
End.

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:28 pm
by newbymodder
lol well that ends that then. sorry for getting off topic but Kyhkaen where did you read or that it was stated forerunner weren't human from what the books that i read it was determined by the prophets them selves that humans show up as forerunner artifacts and since the monitor that controlled the ship high charity is built on came alive and tried to fly it there saying "there here there back the creators" or something along those lines then how could homo sapiens not be forerunner and if i am wrong and you have evidence to support your claim then im sorry for doubting

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:40 pm
by bcnipod
a friend of mine came to the understanding that forerunners are humans. I agree with this, he also somehow drew the connection between the Ghosts of Onyx ending being related somehow to the Spartans being the forerunners. Anyway, 343 Guilty Spark confirms this fact in the first Halo game, when he abducts the human marines to run through the library, he knows they must be forerunner because they look the same. Hope this post makes some sense to someone :|

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:18 pm
by Kyhkaen
bcnipod, your friend is thinking the same thing I did before I went back and read the terminals. They clearly state that humanity was discovered on Earth and categorized. I guess when the forerunners knew they had to fire the halos they reprogrammed their defense system around humans.

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:56 pm
by Tural
The Halo 3 ARG had a comic. In this comic, it fairly clearly depicts early humans watching the Forerunners work on Earth. It features an African man standing, overlooking as large mechanicals build some undefined structure (We later find this to be the portal to the Ark). This would lead me to believe that the Forerunners are not humans, because the human there does not know what they are, or where they are from. It would seem to me that the above theory is correct. The Forerunners realized who would have to use the Ark, the humans, and provided their system and method of getting to it for the humans to discover.

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:36 pm
by newbymodder
i see now, sry for doubting lol. I honestly never read the terminals only found them but the books lead you to believe that humans are forerunner, i guess that's a loop hole they need to resolve if there is another book made. But it would make sense on what you said Kyhkaen that they changed the firing sequence to not kill humans but save them since we " im guessing were the only intelligent species that the forerunner found and could trust "

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:37 pm
by ScottyGEE
Tural wrote:The Halo 3 ARG had a comic. In this comic, it fairly clearly depicts early humans watching the Forerunners work on Earth. It features an African man standing, overlooking as large mechanicals build some undefined structure (We later find this to be the portal to the Ark). This would lead me to believe that the Forerunners are not humans, because the human there does not know what they are, or where they are from. It would seem to me that the above theory is correct. The Forerunners realized who would have to use the Ark, the humans, and provided their system and method of getting to it for the humans to discover.
Pity we sucked and couldn't find it on our own. By we I mean you/NSC.

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:00 pm
by Tural
You're in the future, you should have known!

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:58 pm
by [IA]Paul
newbymodder wrote:i see now, sry for doubting lol. I honestly never read the terminals only found them but the books lead you to believe that humans are forerunner, i guess that's a loop hole they need to resolve if there is another book made. But it would make sense on what you said Kyhkaen that they changed the firing sequence to not kill humans but save them since we " im guessing were the only intelligent species that the forerunner found and could trust "
I'd like to see this contradiction; the only way it would be is if the sentinels on Onyx said "YOU = HUMAN = FORERUNNER" and it didn't.

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:31 pm
by newbymodder
read Contact Harvest then you will get where i am coming form

:roll:

because the sensors on both the Kingyar "Jackle" and Brute ships registered all the humans as fore runner artifacts and the prophet of Truth and Regret were in the center of the forerunner ship Dreadnaut that High Charity is built around when its AI came to life registering all the humans and then tried to fly to Harvest which would have destroyed High Charity

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:33 pm
by Tural
I have read Contact Harvest.
I don't see what you're getting at.

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:34 pm
by newbymodder
i just updated my post sry lol

basically all the forerunner sensors the covenant have registered that harvest was full of artifacts but in reality the humans on harvest were registering and when the brutes started killing them all they symbols on their scanners went away that's when the prophet figured it out "technically he wasn't prophet yet"

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:32 pm
by JK-47
I read your sentence maybe 5 times.. I don't understand anything you said.

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:12 pm
by newbymodder
The covenant have sensory systems that pick up any forerunner artifacts. It maps them buy placing nav points basically. In Contact Harvest the Covenant find artifacts on Harvest. So Brutes go investigate, as they start to kill people the nav points disappear. Meaning that the humans on Harvest are showing up as Forerunner artifacts because we are Reclaimers children of the Forerunner.

Basically the book "Contact Harvest" makes it out like Humans = Forerunner when in reality we are not Forerunner but there predecessors they left everything to us after they died in the first flood battle.