[WIP] The Mongoose - With Pics lol

[S3anyBoy]

finish and post it i need it
is it for halo1 CE or 2?

[SnaFuBAR]

Like i said, people need to stop trying to be the next Katarn or the next oldfaq. every post does not have to be a nice comment but if you are going to post post soemthing that will help them. Give good advice, don't be an **** because you can do better, and the biggest tihng i hate is when people compare by posting pics of their models on someone else's thread. If i see that i will flame you to death.

who the hell are you talking to? if you're talking to me, you need to read my post again. i've given the best advice in this thread.

[Darkstorm995]

Like i said, people need to stop trying to be the next Katarn or the next oldfaq. every post does not have to be a nice comment but if you are going to post post soemthing that will help them. Give good advice, don't be an **** because you can do better, and the biggest tihng i hate is when people compare by posting pics of their models on someone else's thread. If i see that i will flame you to death.

who the hell are you talking to? if you're talking to me, you need to read my post again. i've given the best advice in this thread.

Did i mention your name in any of my posts? The post was directed at halomods in general.

[SnaFuBAR]

ah, i see. good then. carry on. lol.

[rossmum]

finish and post it i need it
is it for halo1 CE or 2?

Make one yourself. Nobody's going to finish and release something just for some random kid who hasn't been here very long, just because they demand it for something they won't even specify...

[gh0570fchurch]

It's not good enough to be skinned and stuff yet, but after some work, it could be better. I gotta agree with rossmum here, no one will learn if they are always told that everything that they do is good. If they think that they are good enough already, then they see less reason to continue learning. This doesn't jtsu apply to modeling or computer-related stuff, Obut almost every skill needed out there. once they try to go out into this world with that skill, they discover that they aren't as good as they thought, and their life kind of falls apart.

[S3anyBoy]

is this halo2?

[TheySayImCrazy]

Since this thread is turning into a battleground, I will limit my participation and perhaps never post here again (this thread).

What we have here, is a conflict of opinion, a type of discussion I refrain from participating in. I do this for my own reasons, but I shall state them here: these types of threads attract the biggest jerks, egotists, and do gooders, and they largely develop into a flame war. They can also seriously hurt your rep on the forum (your reputation is something I think theses assholes are trying to achieve, much like the forum newbie who spams to up his post count and therefore appear old and wise to newbie forums goers (this plan usually fails because there are rules against spamming, which means the spammer usually gets banned. Also it takes a while for those who saw you spam to leave, and newbies to join). No one actually spams to up his post count, but it sets a good example. What these assholes do is something much more subtle. I have been visiting these forums since 2003, none of you are as "new" as you think you are. Darkstorm has been visiting here for quite some time however, as has rossmum and snafubar, rossmum was quite gracious about peoples comments about his modeling, up until he got good at modeling, at which point he turned into the asshole he is now. I have my own theories about politics, government, social life, and trust me, none of you are as hard to figure out as you think you are.

To the point:

gh0570fchurch wrote:
no one will learn if they are always told that everything that they do is good.

Hmm, a simple analogy: You will never be a good player in my book, unless you learn from me, and do as I say, and be exactly as I tell you to. Really, this guys work is good. Wait, you know what, fuck my opinion, I don't really give a rip about the damn model anyway(I am neutral). Firstly: not everyone lives to hear your approval (and just so this cannot be misinterpreted like darkstorms was earlier, I am speaking to you l33t modelers with oversized egos and impossible to please opinions), and the few that do are not everyone (obviously, but only obvious now that it has been pointed out, you seem to ignore this fact). People can figure things out on their own. I can draw perspective models pretty well now, and I have never taken an art class, I figure it all out on my own. I have been drawing almost all of my lifetime, and I think I am good, I really do not care whether someone else can draw something better than me. In fact, sometimes I do not believe I am good enough, I obsess over little facts, yet I am unable to find these errors in other peoples drawings. You will get good on your own, to change your ways to suit others opinions is an incredibly stressful and nearly impossible task. You can go ahead and try, no one ever said you could not try, if you feel you want to try, do it. Benjamin franklin tried some 3,000 times to create the lightbulb, nothing is impossible. The link that rossmum made to that artists site is average. The guy is a very good modeler, and can model and draw anatomically very well (much better than I could in fact). It all takes experience, I am experienced at creating weapons, hard face objects, and anything that isn't alive, because I choose to. The method and style of drawing that, that artist uses (in his sketches) is very much like my own (I was suprised in fact to see something so similar, I did not think anyone could draw like I do, because I have not seen that style done by someone else before). The barrel of the halo 1 sniper rifle was much to long (it looked funny when you saw someone holding it) which was fixed in halo 2. It all depends on your perspective. After playing halo 2 so much, I went back to halo 1 to play with some friends, once I came back to halo 2 I could see that the scope on the sniper rifle was abnormally small (width-wise).

who the hell are you talking to? if you're talking to me, you need to read my post again. i've given the best advice in this thread.

Like I said, whether you and snaf have the best advise in this thread, is your opinion and no one elses.

Like i said, people need to stop trying to be the next Katarn or the next oldfaq. every post does not have to be a nice comment but if you are going to post post soemthing that will help them. Give good advice, don't be an **** because you can do better, and the biggest tihng i hate is when people compare by posting pics of their models on someone else's thread. If i see that i will flame you to death.

Darkstorm, oldfaq was an ASSHOLE. Katarn however was not so bad, he was quite nice at times, I had him on my friends list on Aim for a time before I got rid of AIM (because I hate AOL, and that program is infested with problems). Katarn was very good at what he did as was oldfaq, however katarn was not self absorbed prick who believes everyone should worship him for his modeling skills (case in point: oldfaq).

Notice how I said: "Because I hate AOL". This is statement of my opinion, not an unsubstantiated opinion pusher like: "Aol suckxxxsss".

Also, this makes me think. You probably won't last too well in the miliary darkstorm, =p. You take what you believe are insults that may not even apply to yourself, too seriosuly. And it looks like you wouldn't ever follow the chain of command. I can just imagine you saying to a Colonel "Why should I listen to you? Just because you're better?" and you getting your **** wooped or shot. Seriously, grow up, and try to realize something, you aren't helping. You are hurting Scoliosis.

Another analogy: by not beating little johnny, you are hurting him and making him think that it is ok to be confident at your difficult task, but by beating him, you show that he is not as good as he is and must get better by judging how hard you beat him in reaction to his work.

What can I say? I could say a lot, but I could wrap it up by saying that you must ignore the naysayers on the side, because they don't matter. Naysayer/egotist jerks like rossmum and snaf care only about what other people say about them, judging from others posts on these forums. If they feel they are not well liked on these forums, they will do one of three options: 1. leave. 2. become very humble. 3. make a new char and start over. BTW just try to say out loud what ross said here, it is very much like a preschooler argument. By making silly unsubstantiated predictions based merely upon ones ego, and not facts, you sound very silly. Also rossmum, exactly what do YOU know about the military/warfare in general that makes you know more about military life than darkstorm? You play video games? Lawl.

What do you know, I could just be right, but who cares what I say? They say im crazy after all.

This post has turned into a giant flameball, but it is very late and I am tired. It states what I wanted to state, so be it.

[rossmum]

You're the one flaming, dipshit.

I'm giving honest crits. Besides, did I say his model was bad? No. Maybe you should learn to read posts before you flame, moron.

And what the fuck are you smoking? I didn't say anything about the military, that was someone else. Learn to fucking read. And then get out.

Besides that? I know a damn sight more about the military than most people here.

Post reported, I hope you get the ban you deserve so much for:
- Flaming
- Not reading a thread properly, then flaming anyway
- Spamming
- Sheer stupidity.

How old are you, 5? You know NOTHING of what you're speaking about, until you know almost every piece of military equipment used in WW2, Vietnam, Iraq, and most of the battles, until you know how to model something halfway decent, until you learn to READ BEFORE YOU GO SHOOTING YOUR MOUTH OFF AT LONG-TIME MEMBERS, shut up and GET OUT.

Oh, by the way. See how long I've been here, since March '04? Know how many moronic kids like you I've had to put up with since then? Notice how I haven't left, created a new account, or started sucking up? You fail. I like how you say all this shit about me and Snaf being assholes... look at you. Look at your post. Hmm, yeah, HYPOCRITE MUCH?

By the way, I, unlike you, actually have respect here

[p0lar_bear]

Crazy, Snaf and Ross are "telling them to do is they say" because that's how you model properly. I know a little bit about modeling, the basics, like smoothing groups, I have a slight grip on UVW mapping, etc. Though I cannot pick out finer details like Katarn, I can tell when a model needs some work. That model definitely needs some smoothing group work done, and it does look rather deformed.

Also, Crazy, you have to learn what constructive criticism is. It isn't someone going "ZOMG AWESUM IT R0X BECAUZE I CNAT DO BETTR." It's someone pointing out that the model isn't ready, needs some work, and 99.9% of the time, the crit will tell you HOW to fix it. Being spoon-fed compliments is the worst way to learn how to do anything. If you were to go to boot camp, and your drill instructor was all nicey-nice, you'd end up with a lazy platoon who would get massacred out on the field. Sure, it doesn't do much for morale, but having your mistakes rubbed in your face the best way to learn. And if you can't take the heat, GTFO my kitchen. I'll make my own damn pie.

[rossmum]

^

Kids who can't handle crits shouldn't be modeling. If you can't take some honest advice, you'll never improve, and there's no point even trying then. This guy has some skills, with some more practise he could become a great modeler. It's people like YOU who are stopping him, not me, Snaf, or anyone else who actually knows what they're talking about and don't have 15 different attitude disorders from the looks of things.

[SnaFuBAR]

Dear TheySayImCrazy,

get well soon.

love, SnaF

[SnaFuBAR]

People can figure things out on their own. I can draw perspective models pretty well now, and I have never taken an art class, I figure it all out on my own. I have been drawing almost all of my lifetime, and I think I am good, I really do not care whether someone else can draw something better than me. In fact, sometimes I do not believe I am good enough, I obsess over little facts, yet I am unable to find these errors in other peoples drawings. You will get good on your own, to change your ways to suit others opinions is an incredibly stressful and nearly impossible task. You can go ahead and try, no one ever said you could not try, if you feel you want to try, do it. Benjamin franklin tried some 3,000 times to create the lightbulb, nothing is impossible. The link that rossmum made to that artists site is average. The guy is a very good modeler, and can model and draw anatomically very well (much better than I could in fact). It all takes experience, I am experienced at creating weapons, hard face objects, and anything that isn't alive, because I choose to. The method and style of drawing that, that artist uses (in his sketches) is very much like my own (I was suprised in fact to see something so similar, I did not think anyone could draw like I do, because I have not seen that style done by someone else before). The barrel of the halo 1 sniper rifle was much to long (it looked funny when you saw someone holding it) which was fixed in halo 2. It all depends on your perspective. After playing halo 2 so much, I went back to halo 1 to play with some friends, once I came back to halo 2 I could see that the scope on the sniper rifle was abnormally small (width-wise).

i'd like to see some of your sketches and models. you're really blowing your horn and acting high and mighty (or so it seems).

[rossmum]

^

I'd also love to see them.

Dude, draw something in MS paint in half an hour and post it.

We can compare.

Oh, and by the way. When you can make a model purely to fill the time and you consider it to be good for nothing more than that, yet one of CE's most respected modelers chooses IT as one of the main weapons for his total conversion (which is a lineup of all CE's best, by the way), THEN you can try and prove yourself to be better than me.

[TheySayImCrazy]

Rossmum, snaf, it is possible to learn things on your own without the help of others. No one wants someone to shove their opinion down their throat, which is exactly what you two do on these and other forums. People can learn to do things without someone forcing them to do it a certain way. My experience in drawing was used as an example not an attempt to act high and mighty. Writing in the first person is a poor writing style yet it is a trap I fall into again and again. My name on this forum is: TheySayImCrazy, which is a derivative of the full phrase: "They say I'm crazy but I know I'm not.". I suffer from communication problems, some of what I say never gets across clearly. Also, my mistaking FlyinRoosters post for yours was my mistake, sorry if I offended you. xD
I never challenged you to a

[Excal]

I believe you said....

"Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win you're still retarded."

Locked.

Seriously... grow the fuck up. All of you.