Mystic ruins from Sonic

[SnaFuBAR]

Because you should have respect for people.

You should take a visit to the users forum and look at some of my posts...
Be honest here, if someone insulted a new modeler, would you care?

we should care. i myself forget that at times, but hey, i'm human. that doesn't mean i'll hold their hands along the way and kiss their feet for making an effort. i'll tell them honestly, that looks like crap, why, and how to fix it, or find the info to do so.

anyways, not to be rude, but the sonic map team's series of maps look as though they could barely hold my interest for two minutes. in my opinion, Arteen has been the best thing that happened to their project, and they, hopefully, are thrilled with what he's done.

Arteen, i hope it didn't come off as a diss to you. We've known each other for a while, and you know i like your work. i just think you didn't put in all your talent on this one, and i think you know it, too.

[Razor]

I think you need to visit their forums and ask them why they do what they do , maybe then you`ll understand what they are doing.

[SnaFuBAR]

me? honestly, i've read why, and it doesn't matter to me. their content is lack luster, so good for them that they're doing it because of their interest, but as an artist, i say thier content sucks. end of story.

they're making a sonic mod for CE with sub-par content. what more is there to understand, Razor? what is the reason for continuing to knock me for my critique of their work?

[HK-47]

Snafu : Make them UN Sub par content :p.

[Razor]

I said what i said because they are trying to model it the same way Sega does , have you not read their posts where they have clearly said something along the lines of ...

"We use the ripped models as reference because we want to model the levels how Sega does , in blocks and then merge them all together"

What they are doing is recreating the content how it was in the games , or atleast how it was modeled. Besides that , did you not read the parts of their posts that read ...

"For Sonic Fans Only" ? so ... unless your a Sonic fan i dont see why you have any reason to even bother waisting your time posting comments on a mod like this if its sub par to you why bother? tell me that?

[SnaFuBAR]

I said what i said because they are trying to model it the same way Sega does , have you not read their posts where they have clearly said something along the lines of ...

"We use the ripped models as reference because we want to model the levels how Sega does , in blocks and then merge them all together"

What they are doing is recreating the content how it was in the games , or atleast how it was modeled. Besides that , did you not read the parts of their posts that read ...

"For Sonic Fans Only" ? so ... unless your a Sonic fan i dont see why you have any reason to even bother waisting your time posting comments on a mod like this if its sub par to you why bother? tell me that?

lol, makes no difference to me, once again. if the sega stuff looks like this, fine. i still say that it is my critique that it is lack luster and boring.

see bold: #1, it's posted on a public forum, therefore, it's open to the critique of everyone they allow to view it. so, maybe you should STFU? maybe they could ask about what would make it more appealing. and yeah, i'm a sonic fan, and i'd rather play sonic than their lack-luster recreation CE mod, mk?

[Arteen]

This thread went downhill quickly.

Arteen, i hope it didn't come off as a diss to you.

It certainly didn't. I knew what you meant.

i just think you didn't put in all your talent on this one, and i think you know it, too.

Yeah, I definitely could've put more effort into Fragment. I was too lazy to make scenery and I ended up with a bunch of geometry where collision didn't work properly. I also could've put more effort into the textures and the texturing (my bumpmaps sucked). I"m trying harder to keep my interest in one map much longer than usual and put more effort into it a a result. I thought everything else turned out well enough in Fragment, though. Anyways, I didn't do anything mod or population related for the SMT release. I just let SMT reuse my bsp.

On the topic of criticism, there is nothing wrong with SnaFuBAR's opinion or the way he stated it. If he doesn't like them map, oh well. Not everyone will. Whoever made the map shouldn't matter. CE vetrans are capable of making bad maps, and people new to mapping are capable of creating great work. Criticism is always great, and if people bother to listen to it, it helps them make better maps and mods. If a person takes every criticism as an attack, insult, or some other offense, then he or she will never get better. I'm glad SnaF sees something wrong with my work. It shows me that I still have much room for improvement and it gives me incentive to try harder next time.