What is Bungie Teasing Now?

Veegie · Post by **Veegie** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:40 am

You don't have to have inside sources to know what the fuck you're talking about...

Rockymods · Post by **Rockymods** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:48 am

Whatever it is, it should be great...
It's not like they released the video having no idea that people would guess map editor and/or AI. Doesn't mean that it will be that, but Bungie doesn't spend its time disappointing their players.
Either way we have about a month to have fun talking about it

snakejknight · Post by **snakejknight** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:14 am

Trulife this is what i meant by key player. Believe me i don't doubt your knowledge. I also am not trying to say that AI would ever be possible in mp for us. That comment was exactly what i said, "i wish i had a nickel for every time someone said that about H2" and when i said that you were a key player i meant that you were the one who did all the groundwork for it. Meaning the aspect of AI in halo 3 looked grim.

Back to my original observation in Halo 3 the BIPD, not the CHAR will look at you when it is almost dead. In H2 this was not the case. I thought that was interesting and was simply wondering if anyone could tell me why.

It still seems plausible to me that bungie used ai in the video... Perhaps not fully functional ai, but ai none the less. IDK what you know but i do know that a bipd does not react like that when you walk into it (referring to cortana), but ai can.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:32 am

Trulife means functional AI, I'm pretty sure. Snowbound has AI, the turrets, which look at you when you move around. Such a thing could be applied elsewhere, to a biped, for example, could it not?

Veegie · Post by **Veegie** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:37 am

Tural wrote:Trulife means functional AI, I'm pretty sure. Snowbound has AI, the turrets, which look at you when you move around. Such a thing could be applied elsewhere, to a biped, for example, could it not?

It is a very, very simple AI.
It does not hunt and look for cover when breaking squad hierarchies etc.
It simply shoots when X walks past Y.
Which is the absolute extent of the possible abilities.
They cannot even move, they're forced to rotate.

INSANEdrive · Post by **INSANEdrive** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:16 am

While we are on said topic… what about the two cute little Infection forms in Cold Storage behind the death wall?

I wonder if there is anything else about the #2 update that we don’t know about?

Then there is the nature of the grid in the last couple of seconds of the Edge Acceptance Video…
I wonder what that symbolizes ( New weapon= Phaser

)(New Vehicle= Glow bike from Tron

)?
Its obvious that Most of the trailer is in Rats Nest, but I can’t seem to recall where that last bit could be. Pity.

But in that topic where are they in the G-Phoria Video?

Stir conversation stir… with enough veggies, meat and spice we might think of something after all.

Video links because because.

Please keep the echoes to a minimum please.[size=0]I'm so sorry if this format irritates your delightful little noggins [/size]

snakejknight · Post by **snakejknight** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:25 pm

Veegie wrote:
Tural wrote:Trulife means functional AI, I'm pretty sure. Snowbound has AI, the turrets, which look at you when you move around. Such a thing could be applied elsewhere, to a biped, for example, could it not?
It is a very, very simple AI.
It does not hunt and look for cover when breaking squad hierarchies etc.
It simply shoots when X walks past Y.
Which is the absolute extent of the possible abilities.
They cannot even move, they're forced to rotate.

No i know exactly what he is saying... Believe me i do and i can take it on faith that AI in MP is not possible (though i still have my hopes)

I simply noticed that BIPDS respond the player in H3 and i was wondering if anyone had an explanation for it. Again if you play any of the mods that spawn the MC, shoot him untill he is one shot from death... he will turn around and look at you. Its just odd

Trulife8342 · Post by **Trulife8342** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:08 pm

You would have to see what was spawned, If it was a biped then it shouldn't do that, if it was the char, then it was simply running its style action.

Tural wrote:Trulife means functional AI, I'm pretty sure. Snowbound has AI, the turrets, which look at you when you move around. Such a thing could be applied elsewhere, to a biped, for example, could it not?

Tural, those turrets are so basic, that I would bet my bottom dollar that the CMT custom camera (the one that tracks where you are, and watches you move) is more complex than the turrets on snowbound.

xbox · Post by **xbox** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:38 pm

The turrets are just scripted to shoot you when you enter a certain region.
Or atleast that is what I believe as it doesn't really require any AI.

snakejknight · Post by **snakejknight** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 5:53 pm

Trulife8342 wrote:You would have to see what was spawned, If it was a biped then it shouldn't do that, if it was the char, then it was simply running its style action.

Tural wrote:Trulife means functional AI, I'm pretty sure. Snowbound has AI, the turrets, which look at you when you move around. Such a thing could be applied elsewhere, to a biped, for example, could it not?
Tural, those turrets are so basic, that I would bet my bottom dollar that the CMT custom camera (the one that tracks where you are, and watches you move) is more complex than the turrets on snowbound.

see it? I spawned it haha. DeathRace is my map i placed Bipds to be a kind of audience at the start of the race. They are just Bipds

Alexei · Post by **Alexei** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:03 pm

http://www.bungie.net/News/Blog.aspx?mode=news#cid15149

need i say more?

unknownv2 · Post by **unknownv2** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:04 pm

Alexei wrote:
need i say more?

Yes

guysullavin · Post by **guysullavin** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:25 pm

[IA]Paul wrote:o plz b mac compatible

I Second this

Just to clear any speculation, The AI on those maps, are all static and cannot be changed to dynamic. Meaning if this is some sort of map editor and it does allow you to place "bots" they wont move. It takes weeks to stitch a map with correct AI zones, Its possible that they will stay in one spot and attack from there, But as for moving it ain't gonna happen. Another thing could very possibly be is that they create sections of a map (walk ways, walls, ceilings, cross sections) and stitch those with the zones and you place them as you would please. But thats about as far as the AI aspect goes.

yes, but Bungie knows they're stuff, i bet if there is an Ai editor, they will make it so they can do anything the player wants, and I wouldn't mind seeing a map editor like Starcraft's where you can program locations to do different things

EDIT: sorry didnt read all posts, i feel like an idiot now

you know, I bet Bungie is watching us right now... you sneaky b****ds... lol...

ScottyGEE · Post by **ScottyGEE** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:22 pm

Screw this AI talk. Its as if its just on repeat...That or I just don't understand anything...

I haven't read everything here though...So I could become a hypocrite

unknownv2 · Post by **unknownv2** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:51 pm

ScottyGEE wrote:Screw this AI talk. Its as if its just on repeat...That or I just don't understand anything...

I haven't read everything here though...So I could become a hypocrite

Where is that pic from?

ScottyGEE · Post by **ScottyGEE** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:54 pm

The acceptance videos?

unknownv2 · Post by **unknownv2** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:24 pm

Yea, never bothered looking at the second one.

Yamagushi · Post by **Yamagushi** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:57 pm

unknownv2 wrote:
ScottyGEE wrote:Screw this AI talk. Its as if its just on repeat...That or I just don't understand anything...

I haven't read everything here though...So I could become a hypocrite
Where is that pic from?

The smaller pic is the acceptance video, but wtf is the big one??

AshesOfEmpires2 · Post by **AshesOfEmpires2** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:43 pm

One thing is for sure Bungie has already stated that they cannot add or edit certain things. Like for instance the max amount of user created content per account on the 360, however they did say there are the obvious work arounds by using your memory card instead of ur hdd and when you want to get to the content on your HDD just pull the memory card. Another thing they have said is that they can't add Armor Permutations there is also no way to edit the allowed forge content (like what weapons are available) after the map has been released or especially if it is on the cd...

O and as for the AI in that vid lol BUNGIE PROGRAMMED THEM TO DO THAT!! They ran that map in a Engine they have on there Graphics Design computers n added certain AI functions and there you go simple as that not as a hint but a tease... That being said however I hope they find a way to add a new type of editing of maps or the ability to make entirely new maps.... If you have never done exploring of the H3 disc you might want to...there's some stuff on there that has NO ties to the H3 game at all not in campaign or custom\matchmaking.

Kinda off topic but anyone seen the pictures of Purple Reign? That map is going to be AWESOME!! Hopefully the same can be said about the entire map pack.

xbox · Post by **xbox** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:44 pm

The big one is from the first acceptance video ( for gphoria). The smaller one is from that second acceptance video (edge).
where are these pictures of purple reign?