CE>Trial?

reanimation-06 · Post by **reanimation-06** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:59 pm

Is it possible to convert a map from CE>Trial and vice versa?
Or is it even legal, because I haven't seen anyone talk about this before even though this opens up limitless possibilities.

InvaderVeex · Post by **InvaderVeex** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:59 am

Kid908 did it. but I've been searching for trial>CE just now, infact, and came up with nothing.

reanimation-06 · Post by **reanimation-06** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:06 am

Is he still active? I haven't seen him post in a long time.

bcnipod · Post by **bcnipod** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:38 am

I know that you can convert a map from CE to PC via this and you can then convert PC to Trial via this. convert all CE MP maps to BG. in theory this should work it might not, idk.

reanimation-06 · Post by **reanimation-06** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:01 am

In theory it would work.
On the other hand, I was thinking of rebuilt maps. So rebuilding a map, converting it to CE for editing (AI spawn, vehicle placement, etc), and convert to Trial for play.
This could work out, though it will need a ton of hexing.
Any thoughts how I should go about this?
Trial>PC>CE and then CE>PC>Trial?
or PC>CE and then CE>PC>Trial?

Mr.Brightside · Post by **Mr.Brightside** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:30 am

lol.

That makes no sense at all.

You can everything in CE without rebuilding.. then use Harbinger to convert it to PC...

bcnipod · Post by **bcnipod** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:34 am

reanimation-06 wrote:In theory it would work.
On the other hand, I was thinking of rebuilt maps. So rebuilding a map, converting it to CE for editing (AI spawn, vehicle placement, etc), and convert to Trial for play.
This could work out, though it will need a ton of hexing.
Any thoughts how I should go about this?
Trial>PC>CE and then CE>PC>Trial?
or PC>CE and then CE>PC>Trial?

I agree with Mr. Brightside, if anything the way i suggested you be easier to do and a shit load easier on the maps.

[IA]Paul · Post by **[IA]Paul** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:08 am

reanimation-06 wrote: This could work out, though it will need a ton of hexing.

False.

Demo Hack + Harbinger = win.[/not an advertisement]

bcnipod · Post by **bcnipod** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:40 am

[IA]Paul wrote:
reanimation-06 wrote: This could work out, though it will need a ton of hexing.
False.

Demo Hack + Harbinger = win.[/not an advertisement]

In before you, check my links.

Altimit01 · Post by **Altimit01** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:58 am

Keep in mind demo hack will only change the header. It's main purpose was to allow rebuilding of demo maps using full tools. It doesn't work quite as well with HMT and trial maps. The map playable from PC-Trail isn't that simple from what I remember although I suppose if it was openable in THMT it might work. What's far easier is PMI-ing content from one map into another. Depending on your source though it may or may not be tolerated by the staff.

reanimation-06 · Post by **reanimation-06** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:03 am

It says that the Demo Hack does not support Windows.

Notes:
This is for mac version, PC will not work.

And if somehow it does happen to work, what would I have to do?

This will not convert demo maps to full version or vice versa. It merely converts the header information for editing. HHK will complain but still work.

So, I build a map in CE. Convert it to PC via Harbringer. Then I can't convert it to Trial. The app (Demo hack) only changes the header for editing.
The other way around, I take a trial map, and header edit it to work in PC. Then I need to convert that map to CE. Does Harbringer support PC>CE (reverse)? Or is there another app for that?

The point being, it says that the Demo Hack only edits the header for it to be used in HHK and Eschaton. (Is HHK similar to HEK? What program would you use to change and add AI spawn points?)

And to reply to Altimit, I only want to PMI things from b30 (trial map). I want to see if its possible to get Team AI in Trial (yes, yes I know, Team AI in PC is centuries old), just for the fun of it.

I can PMI in Trial, but now I want to add in some things only done in CE. It shouldn't be illegal, because you are just taking things from one version of the free Halo to another. Or to the point, I'm not even adding anything. Just fixing AI teams.

Mr.Brightside · Post by **Mr.Brightside** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:13 am

...

Why halo trial? Trial's stupid.

1) there's no dedicated servers.
2) everybody on there are noobs.
3) its too laggy
4) there's only one map..

Why not just make it a PC mod? that's what the majority of Halo PC players are on, is the Full version.

*EDIT:

Ignorance, much? You're still defying what I said about not using the PMI process, Why can't you just do it in CE? (then to PC) it's pointless to **** around with PMI and header conversion when you can do it easier in HEK. . .

Altimit01 · Post by **Altimit01** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:21 am

Some people just like a different game. Trial might not be as organized but demo has been pretty good about keeping quality players. Clanhalo has probably been a big part of that. Besides, he wants to do it for trial so let him.

Re: demo hack. Yeah I never did update the info section. Someone PM-ed me asking about a windows version. So one does exist but I don't know how well it'll work for what you need. It's on the download page. I'm guessing that if you had a full version header map full of CE content that you wanted, if it had a trial header THMT might be able to open and extract it for rebuilding. I can't be much more help than that. I don't rebuild on a PC but know it's far more involved than using HHK on mac (which is used almost only for rebuilding).

reanimation-06 · Post by **reanimation-06** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:51 am

Mr.Brightside wrote:...

Why halo trial? Trial's stupid.

1) there's no dedicated servers.
2) everybody on there are noobs.
3) its too laggy
4) there's only one map..
Why not just make it a PC mod? that's what the majority of Halo PC players are on, is the Full version.

*EDIT:
Ignorance, much? You're still defying what I said about not using the PMI process, Why can't you just do it in CE? (then to PC) it's pointless to **** around with PMI and header conversion when you can do it easier in HEK. . .

I do it for my knowledge. You know how people hack games just for the fun of it like you? Well, I believe its the same.

And how did I possibly ignore what you said? I DO NOT want a PC map as the end result. I want a Trial map as the end result. If I wanted a PC map, this topic would have never existed. I would have learned CE modding and then used Harbringer. But its not the case. Thus the topic being: CE>Trial?

And as Altimit said, I want to do it for Trial because it hasn't been done before (to my knowledge, only 1 map has this done before, but no one has heard of it).
THMT is no problem, as that can be easily done. Rebuilding in trial is the same. Same goes for SP>MP. But its the CE>Trial I'm finding impossible. I thought someone here might know how, as this is possibly the largest Halo modding community.

I'm guessing that if you had a full version header map full of CE content that you wanted, if it had a trial header THMT might be able to open and extract it for rebuilding.

So I could add in anything I wanted in CE (AI, spawn points) and then convert it to PC via harbringer. Next, I would need to add a trial header on that map, then extract and rebuild using THMT. Seems like a place to start.